Iron Cross ?? WW1

Edward Tinker · 02-12-2005, 11:56 PM

I figure Ron will know, but anyone?

I came across this at an antique shop, paid less than $20, so if a repro, not out much.

Went on-line, it said that generally repro's are NOT iron in the middle and thus are alloy and a magnet will not stick. A magnet sticks in mine, so...

thanks,

Ed

Opinions?

Ron Wood · 02-13-2005, 12:48 AM

It looks good to me. A couple of quick checks. You should be able to stick a weak magnet to the center but not to the silver rim (if it sticks to the rim, its plated). Hold the top ring so it doesn't rattle and shake the piece being careful not to hold the center section. If it is two-piece, as it should be, it probably will rattle. First time I did that when a guy was trying to sell me one he thought I was crazy (happy ending...it was a good one and I bought it).

Russ · 02-13-2005, 01:01 AM

Ed
take a good look at the loop. It should be maker marked.
Russ

Edward Tinker · 02-13-2005, 01:02 AM

I would say it doesn't stick to the rim, a weaker magent did not, a stronger one did, but not as much as to the interior part of it.

It does make a funny "rattle" like you said. Interesting. Sounds like my $17 plus tax was reasonable. Will look good on the wall, and I am glad it is probably real, slowly fading out anything that is repro from the house.

RUSS, you realize I am getting "Old-guy-eyes"

Thanks,

Ed

Ron Wood · 02-13-2005, 01:16 AM

With a strong magnet, it will overcome the layer of silver and be attracted to the iron center. That is why you need to use a weak magnet.

Heinz · 02-13-2005, 06:34 PM

I think the rattle is a bad sign. It is probably ready to blow. However since you are such a nice guy and dedicated forum monitor I willing to give you a chance to get you money back by sending the rattley old thing to me. :-)

Edward Tinker · 02-13-2005, 07:54 PM

Dang Heinz, I almost sent it to you, but someone had already put her up for me with my 1914!

George Anderson · 02-14-2005, 01:58 PM

Absolutely correct. Rust is quite evident at edges of iron core. Some rattle and others just roll. My 1813s and 1870s rattle but only a few of my 14s do. High quality of detail on crowns used to be the assurance of originality but even that is now overcome by some of the eastern european counterfieters.

Heinz · 02-14-2005, 09:30 PM

Looks good there Ed. Great find. Are the medals typically dated with the year they were awarded?

Also thanks to Ron and George, I have never known how to identify an original so always passed them up.

tracyp · 02-14-2005, 09:50 PM

Heinz,

All WWI have the 1914 date. WWII have the 1939 date.

Tracy

Steinar · 02-15-2005, 05:02 AM

Gentlemen,
At http://my.qxl.no/default/defaultlist...ingsort=0&9152 some iron cross can be found, both original and repro. The site is something like e-bay, just smaller.

Edward Tinker · 02-15-2005, 10:13 PM

I do put them away when I go away.... But what Tac means, is that us guys in Amerika can actually do this!

BTW; I have brass hooks, and there is surgical tubing over the hook, so nothing touches metal

Ed

MrLWJ · 02-17-2005, 01:23 AM

Tac,
As you will soon see i keep a couple in the drawer next to my chair....
L

G.W. Gill · 02-17-2005, 01:51 AM

Mr. Kane, How was your winter retreat? Did you really eat seals and birds and ward off polar bears and the like? I looked up the island and it looked wonderful. I could not read the language. Hope you had a great time!

Steinar · 02-17-2005, 06:02 AM

Thanks! Things are great over here! It's nice to get away from the everyday rutines, to have time to reflect over things

Just over three months left, and it's time to return to work back home

Got internet in my cabin with the help of my portable computer and cellphone.. trough bluetooth I think. I friend here helped me out, so that I can check out the lugerforum and mail from time to time

I hunt every day.. mostly seals, as there is not so many birds as I tought.
btw. With the good help of a fellow forum member, I have now put together a shooter Luger, so that I got something new to play with if I get bored

Only missing extractor and fireing pin-unit.. anyone with extra?

Hope things are going great with you guys too!

G.W. Gill · 02-18-2005, 02:06 AM

Mr. Kane, I would like to hear a little more of your adventure. I am a stay at home Dad. Can we have a story or two about your experience? How is your new cabin? ect. Did you meet others with tales to tell? I was enthralled with the website of your location. thanks

Steinar · 02-25-2005, 06:12 AM

Hello!
Thanks for the interest!
My cabin was realy bad when I first got here.. it had been standing for several years without use. But now I have covered most of the inside (and outside) with skinn, so now things are very good now

Stories.. hmm.. last week I was out checking what we call "snare", I quess the english word would be "trap" or something.. It's a thin wire shaped into a circle just a few cm over the snow, when a bird get it's head into the circle.. it's bird on the menu

Anyway, when I was returning to the cabin, I saw a polar bear walking towards my cabin. I had stored most of my food high up, but that day there was a lot of birds and seals hanging outside my cabin.. A guy that that lives a few km away, sometimes uses my cabin to make his coffe and eat his lunch when out hunting. It's great to have a visitor sometimes, but now I wasn't 100% sure he was in there or not..
So when the bear was about 100m away from the cabin, I fired a few rounds in the air. But by then the bear had smelled the meat and was realy up for a snack.. I was standing about 400m away from the cabin, my only hope was that when the bear got 50m away from the cabin, a flare would go off. For safety I have a thin wire connected to a flares that go off with a bang and light. The flare went off, and the bear turned and run 50m away.. there it stopped.. I didn't want to shoot it, specially since it wasn't going after me, but my food. So I started shooting in the snow about a 1m in front of the bear. After 10 rounds the bear ran away.. It's common to see bears here, but this was the first time I had to make one run away, so it was quite a adrenaline rush for me

Have a nice day!

G.W. Gill · 02-26-2005, 01:21 AM

Wow! Beats the heck out of the exciting threat of my dog eating the ear off the stuffed monkey (which, by the whey, I had grown attachted to). If you would, could you send us more of your vacation experience? You and the bear was exilerating. I am truly interested and very envious of this exciting adventure of yours. Please keep us posted when you get a chance. G. W.

Russ · 02-26-2005, 08:41 AM

Morgan
That was a great story. Got any more? I was in northern Norway back in the early 80's

The funny thing was. We did cold weather training in Minasota. And it was colder there than in Norway.

Try and stay warm.
Russ

Luke · 02-26-2005, 08:58 AM

Morgan -

Great story.

By the way, what does:

VÃ?Â¥pni sine skal mann pÃ?Â¥ vollen ikkje gange eit fet ifrÃ?Â¥. Uvisst er Ã?Â¥ vita nÃ?Â¥r pÃ?Â¹Ã?Â¥ vegom ute det spÃ?Â¸rjast kan etter spjut

mean anyway?

Luke

02-12-2005, 11:56 PM	#1
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,974 Thanks: 2,072 Thanked 4,609 Times in 2,123 Posts	Iron Cross ?? WW1 I figure Ron will know, but anyone? I came across this at an antique shop, paid less than $20, so if a repro, not out much. Went on-line, it said that generally repro's are NOT iron in the middle and thus are alloy and a magnet will not stick. A magnet sticks in mine, so... thanks, Ed Opinions?

02-13-2005, 12:48 AM	#2
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,051 Thanks: 1,121 Thanked 5,287 Times in 1,728 Posts	It looks good to me. A couple of quick checks. You should be able to stick a weak magnet to the center but not to the silver rim (if it sticks to the rim, its plated). Hold the top ring so it doesn't rattle and shake the piece being careful not to hold the center section. If it is two-piece, as it should be, it probably will rattle. First time I did that when a guy was trying to sell me one he thought I was crazy (happy ending...it was a good one and I bought it). __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

02-13-2005, 01:01 AM	#3
Russ User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Reading, PA. Posts: 628 Thanks: 2 Thanked 38 Times in 10 Posts	Ed take a good look at the loop. It should be maker marked. Russ __________________ Livin the dream!!!!!!!!!!!

02-13-2005, 01:16 AM	#5
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,051 Thanks: 1,121 Thanked 5,287 Times in 1,728 Posts	With a strong magnet, it will overcome the layer of silver and be attracted to the iron center. That is why you need to use a weak magnet. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

02-15-2005, 05:02 AM	#11
Steinar User Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 1,538 Thanks: 18 Thanked 36 Times in 21 Posts	Gentlemen, At http://my.qxl.no/default/defaultlist...ingsort=0&9152 some iron cross can be found, both original and repro. The site is something like e-bay, just smaller. __________________ Previously known as Morgan Kane

02-13-2005, 01:02 AM	#4
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,974 Thanks: 2,072 Thanked 4,609 Times in 2,123 Posts	I would say it doesn't stick to the rim, a weaker magent did not, a stronger one did, but not as much as to the interior part of it. It does make a funny "rattle" like you said. Interesting. Sounds like my $17 plus tax was reasonable. Will look good on the wall, and I am glad it is probably real, slowly fading out anything that is repro from the house. RUSS, you realize I am getting "Old-guy-eyes" Thanks, Ed

02-13-2005, 06:34 PM	#6
Heinz User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Greenville SC Posts: 1,004 Thanks: 377 Thanked 411 Times in 180 Posts	I think the rattle is a bad sign. It is probably ready to blow. However since you are such a nice guy and dedicated forum monitor I willing to give you a chance to get you money back by sending the rattley old thing to me. :-)

02-13-2005, 07:54 PM	#7
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,974 Thanks: 2,072 Thanked 4,609 Times in 2,123 Posts	Dang Heinz, I almost sent it to you, but someone had already put her up for me with my 1914!

02-14-2005, 01:58 PM	#8
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,531 Times in 788 Posts	Absolutely correct. Rust is quite evident at edges of iron core. Some rattle and others just roll. My 1813s and 1870s rattle but only a few of my 14s do. High quality of detail on crowns used to be the assurance of originality but even that is now overcome by some of the eastern european counterfieters.

02-14-2005, 09:30 PM	#9
Heinz User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Greenville SC Posts: 1,004 Thanks: 377 Thanked 411 Times in 180 Posts	Looks good there Ed. Great find. Are the medals typically dated with the year they were awarded? Also thanks to Ron and George, I have never known how to identify an original so always passed them up.

02-14-2005, 09:50 PM	#10
tracyp User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Peoples Republic of Kalifornia Posts: 391 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Heinz, All WWI have the 1914 date. WWII have the 1939 date. Tracy

02-15-2005, 10:13 PM	#12
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,974 Thanks: 2,072 Thanked 4,609 Times in 2,123 Posts	I do put them away when I go away.... But what Tac means, is that us guys in Amerika can actually do this! BTW; I have brass hooks, and there is surgical tubing over the hook, so nothing touches metal Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

02-17-2005, 01:23 AM	#13
MrLWJ User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Portland OR USA Posts: 19 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Tac, As you will soon see i keep a couple in the drawer next to my chair.... L __________________ "It is foolish and wrong to mourn the men who died. Rather we should thank God that such men lived." - General George S. Patton, Jr

02-17-2005, 01:51 AM	#14
G.W. Gill User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Southeastern USA Posts: 369 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Mr. Kane, How was your winter retreat? Did you really eat seals and birds and ward off polar bears and the like? I looked up the island and it looked wonderful. I could not read the language. Hope you had a great time!

02-17-2005, 06:02 AM	#15
Steinar User Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 1,538 Thanks: 18 Thanked 36 Times in 21 Posts	Thanks! Things are great over here! It's nice to get away from the everyday rutines, to have time to reflect over things Just over three months left, and it's time to return to work back home Got internet in my cabin with the help of my portable computer and cellphone.. trough bluetooth I think. I friend here helped me out, so that I can check out the lugerforum and mail from time to time I hunt every day.. mostly seals, as there is not so many birds as I tought. btw. With the good help of a fellow forum member, I have now put together a shooter Luger, so that I got something new to play with if I get bored Only missing extractor and fireing pin-unit.. anyone with extra? Hope things are going great with you guys too! __________________ Previously known as Morgan Kane

02-18-2005, 02:06 AM	#16
G.W. Gill User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Southeastern USA Posts: 369 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Mr. Kane, I would like to hear a little more of your adventure. I am a stay at home Dad. Can we have a story or two about your experience? How is your new cabin? ect. Did you meet others with tales to tell? I was enthralled with the website of your location. thanks

02-25-2005, 06:12 AM	#17
Steinar User Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 1,538 Thanks: 18 Thanked 36 Times in 21 Posts	Hello! Thanks for the interest! My cabin was realy bad when I first got here.. it had been standing for several years without use. But now I have covered most of the inside (and outside) with skinn, so now things are very good now Stories.. hmm.. last week I was out checking what we call "snare", I quess the english word would be "trap" or something.. It's a thin wire shaped into a circle just a few cm over the snow, when a bird get it's head into the circle.. it's bird on the menu Anyway, when I was returning to the cabin, I saw a polar bear walking towards my cabin. I had stored most of my food high up, but that day there was a lot of birds and seals hanging outside my cabin.. A guy that that lives a few km away, sometimes uses my cabin to make his coffe and eat his lunch when out hunting. It's great to have a visitor sometimes, but now I wasn't 100% sure he was in there or not.. So when the bear was about 100m away from the cabin, I fired a few rounds in the air. But by then the bear had smelled the meat and was realy up for a snack.. I was standing about 400m away from the cabin, my only hope was that when the bear got 50m away from the cabin, a flare would go off. For safety I have a thin wire connected to a flares that go off with a bang and light. The flare went off, and the bear turned and run 50m away.. there it stopped.. I didn't want to shoot it, specially since it wasn't going after me, but my food. So I started shooting in the snow about a 1m in front of the bear. After 10 rounds the bear ran away.. It's common to see bears here, but this was the first time I had to make one run away, so it was quite a adrenaline rush for me Have a nice day! __________________ Previously known as Morgan Kane

02-26-2005, 01:21 AM	#18
G.W. Gill User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Southeastern USA Posts: 369 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Wow! Beats the heck out of the exciting threat of my dog eating the ear off the stuffed monkey (which, by the whey, I had grown attachted to). If you would, could you send us more of your vacation experience? You and the bear was exilerating. I am truly interested and very envious of this exciting adventure of yours. Please keep us posted when you get a chance. G. W.

02-26-2005, 08:41 AM	#19
Russ User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Reading, PA. Posts: 628 Thanks: 2 Thanked 38 Times in 10 Posts	cool Morgan That was a great story. Got any more? I was in northern Norway back in the early 80's The funny thing was. We did cold weather training in Minasota. And it was colder there than in Norway. Try and stay warm. Russ __________________ Livin the dream!!!!!!!!!!!

02-26-2005, 08:58 AM	#20
Luke User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: NC - USA Posts: 1,239 Thanks: 0 Thanked 19 Times in 7 Posts	Morgan - Great story. By the way, what does: VÃ?Â¥pni sine skal mann pÃ?Â¥ vollen ikkje gange eit fet ifrÃ?Â¥. Uvisst er Ã?Â¥ vita nÃ?Â¥r pÃ?Â¹Ã?Â¥ vegom ute det spÃ?Â¸rjast kan etter spjut mean anyway? Luke __________________ "Peace, if possible; truth, at any cost." . . . Martin Luther