Luger mag in wood

olivier5848 · 12-31-2005, 04:17 AM

Hello to all and happy new year.
I have become this from an old man. Its look like a luger mag. But it is on wood. It is what Joachim GÃ?Â¶rtz (in the book "Die Pistole 08") called a dummy magazin?
All informations is welcome.
Thanks and best regards
Olivier

Lugerdoc · 12-31-2005, 09:39 AM

Olivier, Your photo appears to show a wood peg with a cut down P08 mag bottom glued on. I've never heard of one of these for the luger, but the Borchardt did have a "dummy wood magazine" used for cleaning the C93. TH

olivier5848 · 01-01-2006, 09:10 AM

Hello and good new year
Thanks Doc for this information.
Have a nice day
Olivier

Vlim · 01-01-2006, 09:54 AM

Hi,

Goertz indeed shows one in his book. These are thought to be dummy magazines for exercise purposes. There also was a wooden dummy luger.

George Anderson · 01-01-2006, 12:29 PM

The thought of having a wooden magazine, nonfunctional and expensive to produce, for military practice makes no sense. Perhaps for a saddler's use in making holsters or pouches, but not the military.

mauro · 01-01-2006, 04:35 PM

Bonjour Olivier,
Absolutely interesting finding.
I have in my collection the following items that are, in some way, related to your wood magazine.
In the pictures you can see a Holzattrappe, a wooden replica of the P08. In addition, a few months ago, I found out this interesting photo that shows a German soldier with a Holzattrappe during a training activity. This is the only photo I know where a Holzattrappe is shown.
Gortz states also that this item was used to fill the holster when not used for a while. This could be another use although the photo shows the use of this item for training.
Happy and safe 2006.
Ciao
Mauro

lugerholsterrepair · 01-01-2006, 11:20 PM

Do you figure the Holzattrappe was unique to the P08 or were there other models?
Jerry Burney

mauro · 01-02-2006, 11:10 AM

Hi Jerry,
Hereafter a scan from the Gortz's book. Actually I have seen only the Holzattappe I have in my collection and the photos I have presented therefore it is quite difficult to figure out if there are different types of Holzattrappe.
I hope this helps.
Ciao
Mauro

olivier5848 · 01-03-2006, 01:06 PM

Hello to all.
Thanks for all the information you have give me.
Mauro you write that "there are different types of Holtzattrappe", I think it is normal. As it is write in german in your first post: "anfertigung der FÃ?Â¼llstÃ?Â¼cke erfolgt durch die Truppenwaffenmeister", thats mean that the regiment armor made this Holtzattrappe. So this is not a manufactured production, but a man made from the "Waffenmeister".
Best regards
Olivier

12-31-2005, 04:17 AM	#1
olivier5848 User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: France Posts: 61 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Luger mag in wood Hello to all and happy new year. I have become this from an old man. Its look like a luger mag. But it is on wood. It is what Joachim GÃ?Â¶rtz (in the book "Die Pistole 08") called a dummy magazin? All informations is welcome. Thanks and best regards Olivier Attached Images

12-31-2005, 09:39 AM	#2
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	Olivier, Your photo appears to show a wood peg with a cut down P08 mag bottom glued on. I've never heard of one of these for the luger, but the Borchardt did have a "dummy wood magazine" used for cleaning the C93. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

01-01-2006, 04:35 PM	#6
mauro FIREARM HISTORIAN AND AUT Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Belgium Posts: 1,535 Thanks: 106 Thanked 349 Times in 129 Posts	Bonjour Olivier, Absolutely interesting finding. I have in my collection the following items that are, in some way, related to your wood magazine. In the pictures you can see a Holzattrappe, a wooden replica of the P08. In addition, a few months ago, I found out this interesting photo that shows a German soldier with a Holzattrappe during a training activity. This is the only photo I know where a Holzattrappe is shown. Gortz states also that this item was used to fill the holster when not used for a while. This could be another use although the photo shows the use of this item for training. Happy and safe 2006. Ciao Mauro __________________ Mauro Baudino - www.lugerlp08.com www.paul-mauser-archive.com Mauser Company and Firearm Historian - Mauser Parabellum Certification Service.

01-01-2006, 11:20 PM	#7
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,763 Thanks: 4,879 Thanked 3,110 Times in 1,429 Posts	Do you figure the Holzattrappe was unique to the P08 or were there other models? Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

01-02-2006, 11:10 AM	#8
mauro FIREARM HISTORIAN AND AUT Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Belgium Posts: 1,535 Thanks: 106 Thanked 349 Times in 129 Posts	Hi Jerry, Hereafter a scan from the Gortz's book. Actually I have seen only the Holzattappe I have in my collection and the photos I have presented therefore it is quite difficult to figure out if there are different types of Holzattrappe. I hope this helps. Ciao Mauro __________________ Mauro Baudino - www.lugerlp08.com www.paul-mauser-archive.com Mauser Company and Firearm Historian - Mauser Parabellum Certification Service.

01-01-2006, 09:10 AM	#3
olivier5848 User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: France Posts: 61 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hello and good new year Thanks Doc for this information. Have a nice day Olivier

01-01-2006, 09:54 AM	#4
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,987 Times in 1,205 Posts	Hi, Goertz indeed shows one in his book. These are thought to be dummy magazines for exercise purposes. There also was a wooden dummy luger.

01-01-2006, 12:29 PM	#5
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,528 Times in 787 Posts	The thought of having a wooden magazine, nonfunctional and expensive to produce, for military practice makes no sense. Perhaps for a saddler's use in making holsters or pouches, but not the military.

01-03-2006, 01:06 PM	#9
olivier5848 User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: France Posts: 61 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hello to all. Thanks for all the information you have give me. Mauro you write that "there are different types of Holtzattrappe", I think it is normal. As it is write in german in your first post: "anfertigung der FÃ?Â¼llstÃ?Â¼cke erfolgt durch die Truppenwaffenmeister", thats mean that the regiment armor made this Holtzattrappe. So this is not a manufactured production, but a man made from the "Waffenmeister". Best regards Olivier

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