Mitchell Mauser...

Johnny C. Kitchens · 12-12-2003, 10:44 PM

I see in the 2004 Gun Digest, that the Mitchell Mauser, the people who are selling refurbished Lugers, is the latest incarnation of the Mitchell company we know for the stainless steel Luger... Mitchell Mauser

riffraff · 12-13-2003, 04:45 PM

Are you saying that Orimar is now Mitchell Mauser?
Mike

Johnny C. Kitchens · 12-13-2003, 10:33 PM

No, Mitchell distributed the stainless steel Lugers when they first showed up. The manufacturer has had several names AIMCO, SPM, and Orimar. The distributors have been Mitchell, Stoeger, and the manufacturer. Fun!!!

mauro · 12-14-2003, 01:42 PM

Hello guys,
please can you clarify me the relationship between these refurbished Lugers and the Mauser firm. Actually these Lugers are not related at all with Commemorative Mauser models. Mauser stop the production and sold all tools for building Luger.
Please let me know.
Ciao
Mauro

Dwight Gruber · 12-14-2003, 02:51 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by mauro:
Mauser stop the production and sold all tools for building Luger.<hr /></blockquote>What I want to know is, who bought the tooling???

--Dwight

mauro · 12-14-2003, 03:40 PM

Hello Dwight,
I am posting again the reply I have post a few days ago concerning the topic "Grips for Interarms Mauser Luger (1970s)":

Hello everybody,
I would like to summarize a few result of my research concerning the end of Mauser activity in 1999. These results with other information are available at page 101 of my book Ã¢??The Luger ArtilleryÃ¢?Â.
Please find here the official answer I received from Mauser and Blaser concerning the Parabellum production.

Mail from Mauser:
"Dear Mr. Baudino,
We regret to inform you that effective January 1st, 1999 Mauser has transferred all distribution rights of hunting and sporting weapons to:
SIG-Blaser Markenvertriebs GmbH
Ziegelstadel 1
D-88316 Isny - Germany
Phone +49 7562 7020
Telefax +49 7562 702225
Email blaser.jagdwaffen@t-online.de
Website www.blaser.de
Regarding your inquiry we kindly ask you to get in contact with above mentioned company.
Best regards
Mauser-Werke Oberndorf
Waffensysteme GmbH"

Mail from Blaser:
"Dear Mr. Baudino,
At present this model is not produced.
Best regards,
Carsten Hansich
-----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht-----
Gesendet am: Montag, 15. Januar 2001 10:57
An: Monika Alexander
Betreff: Info about Parabellum Pistol
SIG-Blaser Markenvertriebs GmbH"

As far As the spare parts concerns, both Haslberger and Waffen Veh (both German Gunsmiths) bought the remaining parabellum and related spare parts still available in the Mauser facilities located in Oberndolf.
Of course it is possible to find Parabellum spare parts to other sellers, as example the Mauser Official Importer in Italy has still available spare parts.

As far as Mr. Heller concerns I guess he bought Interarms spare parts, in other words the spare parts available in the USA official Mauser Parabellum importer not the Mauser spare parts in Oberndorf.

I hope this can clarify the last activities performed by Mauser before and just after stopping his activities in the hunting and sporting weapons field.

Ciao

Mauro

Dwight Gruber · 12-14-2003, 03:55 PM

Mauro,

Sorry, I didn't understand that SIGArms bought the tooling as well.

So if someone wanted to, we could have brand-new SIG P-08s!

--Dwight

mauro · 12-14-2003, 04:10 PM

Dwight,
I guess it should be very difficult that SIG-Blaser Markenvertriebs GmbH starts again the production of Parabellum. As you know the actual cost for producing this pistol are very high; it means a big investment.
We will see.
Ciao
Mauro

Vlim · 12-15-2003, 06:03 AM

Hi,

Mauro, you're right. The 2004 Mitchell Mausers shown are refurbished originals and have nothing to do with the post-war mausers or post-war US produced aimco/mitchell/orimar guns.

mauro · 12-15-2003, 08:43 AM

What it is important to higlight is the fact that Mitchell uses the name Mauser. I guess that in order to use the Mauser name for businnes purposes it is necessary to have the permission from Mauser itself. I don't know what kind of relationships there are between Mitchell and Mauser-Werke Oberndorf Waffensysteme GmbH.
Any comments?
Ciao

John Sabato · 12-15-2003, 11:02 AM

I have never heard of any official relationship between Mitchell and the Mauser factory.

He calls his company Mitchell's Mausers because the owner's name is Mitchell and he sells products that were originally manufactured by Mauser. I don't know what the legalities are concerning using the name Mauser, but I believe that the name of his company is perfectly legal.

Just like someone named Baudino selling old Mercedes-Benz automobiles could probably call his company Baudino's Mercedes...

mauro · 12-15-2003, 04:59 PM

Hello John,
it is not my purpose to figure out if Mitchell can or cannot use the name Mauser. My only purpose is to clarify to the new Luger Forum members that there is any relationship between Mitchell and the Post WWII Mauser production in particular the commemorative.
By the way I have a Mercedes and so it is a "Baudino's Mercedes" :-)
Ciao
Mauro

12-12-2003, 10:44 PM	#1
Johnny C. Kitchens User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Arlington, Texas Posts: 518 Thanks: 0 Thanked 20 Times in 8 Posts	Mitchell Mauser... I see in the 2004 Gun Digest, that the Mitchell Mauser, the people who are selling refurbished Lugers, is the latest incarnation of the Mitchell company we know for the stainless steel Luger... Mitchell Mauser __________________ Johnny C. Kitchens

12-13-2003, 04:45 PM	#2
riffraff User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: central Arkansas Posts: 28 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Are you saying that Orimar is now Mitchell Mauser? Mike __________________ Time Warp

12-13-2003, 10:33 PM	#3
Johnny C. Kitchens User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Arlington, Texas Posts: 518 Thanks: 0 Thanked 20 Times in 8 Posts	No, Mitchell distributed the stainless steel Lugers when they first showed up. The manufacturer has had several names AIMCO, SPM, and Orimar. The distributors have been Mitchell, Stoeger, and the manufacturer. Fun!!! __________________ Johnny C. Kitchens

12-14-2003, 01:42 PM	#4
mauro FIREARM HISTORIAN AND AUT Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Belgium Posts: 1,535 Thanks: 106 Thanked 349 Times in 129 Posts	Hello guys, please can you clarify me the relationship between these refurbished Lugers and the Mauser firm. Actually these Lugers are not related at all with Commemorative Mauser models. Mauser stop the production and sold all tools for building Luger. Please let me know. Ciao Mauro __________________ Mauro Baudino - www.lugerlp08.com www.paul-mauser-archive.com Mauser Company and Firearm Historian - Mauser Parabellum Certification Service.

12-14-2003, 02:51 PM	#5
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,890 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,282 Times in 424 Posts	</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Originally posted by mauro: <strong>Mauser stop the production and sold all tools for building Luger.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">What I want to know is, who bought the tooling??? --Dwight

12-14-2003, 03:40 PM	#6
mauro FIREARM HISTORIAN AND AUT Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Belgium Posts: 1,535 Thanks: 106 Thanked 349 Times in 129 Posts	Hello Dwight, I am posting again the reply I have post a few days ago concerning the topic "Grips for Interarms Mauser Luger (1970s)": Hello everybody, I would like to summarize a few result of my research concerning the end of Mauser activity in 1999. These results with other information are available at page 101 of my book Ã¢??The Luger ArtilleryÃ¢?Â. Please find here the official answer I received from Mauser and Blaser concerning the Parabellum production. Mail from Mauser: "Dear Mr. Baudino, We regret to inform you that effective January 1st, 1999 Mauser has transferred all distribution rights of hunting and sporting weapons to: SIG-Blaser Markenvertriebs GmbH Ziegelstadel 1 D-88316 Isny - Germany Phone +49 7562 7020 Telefax +49 7562 702225 Email blaser.jagdwaffen@t-online.de Website www.blaser.de Regarding your inquiry we kindly ask you to get in contact with above mentioned company. Best regards Mauser-Werke Oberndorf Waffensysteme GmbH" Mail from Blaser: "Dear Mr. Baudino, At present this model is not produced. Best regards, Carsten Hansich -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Gesendet am: Montag, 15. Januar 2001 10:57 An: Monika Alexander Betreff: Info about Parabellum Pistol SIG-Blaser Markenvertriebs GmbH" As far As the spare parts concerns, both Haslberger and Waffen Veh (both German Gunsmiths) bought the remaining parabellum and related spare parts still available in the Mauser facilities located in Oberndolf. Of course it is possible to find Parabellum spare parts to other sellers, as example the Mauser Official Importer in Italy has still available spare parts. As far as Mr. Heller concerns I guess he bought Interarms spare parts, in other words the spare parts available in the USA official Mauser Parabellum importer not the Mauser spare parts in Oberndorf. I hope this can clarify the last activities performed by Mauser before and just after stopping his activities in the hunting and sporting weapons field. Ciao Mauro __________________ Mauro Baudino - www.lugerlp08.com www.paul-mauser-archive.com Mauser Company and Firearm Historian - Mauser Parabellum Certification Service.

12-14-2003, 03:55 PM	#7
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,890 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,282 Times in 424 Posts	Mauro, Sorry, I didn't understand that SIGArms bought the tooling as well. So if someone wanted to, we could have brand-new SIG P-08s! --Dwight

12-14-2003, 04:10 PM	#8
mauro FIREARM HISTORIAN AND AUT Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Belgium Posts: 1,535 Thanks: 106 Thanked 349 Times in 129 Posts	Dwight, I guess it should be very difficult that SIG-Blaser Markenvertriebs GmbH starts again the production of Parabellum. As you know the actual cost for producing this pistol are very high; it means a big investment. We will see. Ciao Mauro __________________ Mauro Baudino - www.lugerlp08.com www.paul-mauser-archive.com Mauser Company and Firearm Historian - Mauser Parabellum Certification Service.

12-15-2003, 06:03 AM	#9
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,047 Thanks: 1,034 Thanked 3,947 Times in 1,198 Posts	Hi, Mauro, you're right. The 2004 Mitchell Mausers shown are refurbished originals and have nothing to do with the post-war mausers or post-war US produced aimco/mitchell/orimar guns.

12-15-2003, 08:43 AM	#10
mauro FIREARM HISTORIAN AND AUT Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Belgium Posts: 1,535 Thanks: 106 Thanked 349 Times in 129 Posts	What it is important to higlight is the fact that Mitchell uses the name Mauser. I guess that in order to use the Mauser name for businnes purposes it is necessary to have the permission from Mauser itself. I don't know what kind of relationships there are between Mitchell and Mauser-Werke Oberndorf Waffensysteme GmbH. Any comments? Ciao __________________ Mauro Baudino - www.lugerlp08.com www.paul-mauser-archive.com Mauser Company and Firearm Historian - Mauser Parabellum Certification Service.

12-15-2003, 11:02 AM	#11
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,152 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	I have never heard of any official relationship between Mitchell and the Mauser factory. He calls his company Mitchell's Mausers because the owner's name is Mitchell and he sells products that were originally manufactured by Mauser. I don't know what the legalities are concerning using the name Mauser, but I believe that the name of his company is perfectly legal. Just like someone named Baudino selling old Mercedes-Benz automobiles could probably call his company Baudino's Mercedes... __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

12-15-2003, 04:59 PM	#12
mauro FIREARM HISTORIAN AND AUT Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Belgium Posts: 1,535 Thanks: 106 Thanked 349 Times in 129 Posts	Hello John, it is not my purpose to figure out if Mitchell can or cannot use the name Mauser. My only purpose is to clarify to the new Luger Forum members that there is any relationship between Mitchell and the Post WWII Mauser production in particular the commemorative. By the way I have a Mercedes and so it is a "Baudino's Mercedes" :-) Ciao Mauro __________________ Mauro Baudino - www.lugerlp08.com www.paul-mauser-archive.com Mauser Company and Firearm Historian - Mauser Parabellum Certification Service.