New to me DWM 7.65mm: Pics!

Whiteleather · 08-27-2013, 11:29 PM

No date. Original mag, but not numbered to gun.

All in excellent working order, but in a caliber I don't shoot. Any idea of ballpark asking price I should tag it with?

Ben M. · 08-28-2013, 12:00 AM

$ 1200 or so.

alanint · 08-28-2013, 06:04 AM

That is a bit overpriced for a Commercial Luger in 7.65mm with the finish issues on the sideplate and magazine, in my opinion. There is also edge wear and discoloration throughout the pistol.

$1,000 would be closer to what I would pay.

BTW, one of your grip screws appears to be a proofed Erfurt replacement. You might consider selling/swapping this screw out to a collector for a little bit of extra cash before selling the pistol.

Sergio Natali · 08-28-2013, 07:52 AM

It's a nice gun, the vast majority of the P.08 you can find here in Italy are generally below that standard, and discolorattion is common, at least here, for a pistol of that age. Here I guess it would cost about 1300,00 Euro.

K.Wilhelm · 08-28-2013, 09:27 AM

Looks like a pretty nice 1923 Commercial to me- $1100?

mrerick · 08-28-2013, 10:05 AM

Would a 1923 DWM Commercial have a 5 digit serial number?

Whiteleather · 08-28-2013, 10:31 AM

Thanks for the replies!

I missed that proof on the screw. Only one screw has the stamp. It looks like a crown, but there is no lettering.

The edge wear is likely from being holstered in an old ALP 1911 holster instead of Luger holster.

G.T. · 08-28-2013, 10:39 AM

I've been following 1920 style commercials on Gun Broker for quite some time now... and I see many, similar condition guns, priced for $1200.00 or more, and they never ever get a bid?? Most listed for $1000.00 or below, sell well, and those for $750.00 to $900.00 sell almost every time.... So I think the $1000.00 evaluation would be pretty close... Of course, if you can get more! Certainly don't pass that up! ...

..best to you, til...lat'r....GT...

K.Wilhelm · 08-28-2013, 04:36 PM

mrerick- my understanding is that the 5 digit commercials are 1923 models, but I could be wrong.

KW

Douglas Jr. · 08-29-2013, 08:53 AM

In fact, the continious numbering (with five digits) was dropped by DWM/BKIW in 1922. After that date the Commercial guns were serialized as military guns (four digits and a suffix). So, since Jan Still's "Weimar Lugers", pistols with five digits are called 1920 DWM. Later guns (with suffixes) were named Alphabet Lugers.

All the best,
Douglas

Whiteleather · 08-29-2013, 11:07 AM

So...gotta ask...are new Lugers being produced? The workmanship is superb, so I expect that they are too expensive to produce today. But given the advances with CNC it seems like the old designs would be a snap to reproduce. Hand fitting would still be needed on some parts, but certainly the milling portions are easier now than ever.

I have a buddy with a Luger in .22 lr. Its a neat gun and would make a nice addition if it were available.

rhuff · 08-29-2013, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Whiteleather

So...gotta ask...are new Lugers being produced? The workmanship is superb, so I expect that they are too expensive to produce today. But given the advances with CNC it seems like the old designs would be a snap to reproduce. Hand fitting would still be needed on some parts, but certainly the milling portions are easier now than ever.

I have a buddy with a Luger in .22 lr. Its a neat gun and would make a nice addition if it were available.

I, personally, know of no Lugers being produced currently. There have been some limited factory produced Lugers in the 1990 and maybe even the 2000s, but they are VERY expensive, and rare to find.

K.Wilhelm · 08-29-2013, 06:35 PM

Thanks for setting me straight on the 5 digit serial number commercials, Douglas Jr. Guess I have to get some more up-to-date books!

KW

08-27-2013, 11:29 PM	#1
Whiteleather New User Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	New to me DWM 7.65mm: Pics! No date. Original mag, but not numbered to gun. All in excellent working order, but in a caliber I don't shoot. Any idea of ballpark asking price I should tag it with?

08-28-2013, 07:52 AM	#4
Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,082 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	It's a nice gun, the vast majority of the P.08 you can find here in Italy are generally below that standard, and discolorattion is common, at least here, for a pistol of that age. Here I guess it would cost about 1300,00 Euro. __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.

08-28-2013, 09:27 AM	#5
K.Wilhelm User Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: South Central Colorado Posts: 215 Thanks: 45 Thanked 109 Times in 66 Posts	1923 Commercial Looks like a pretty nice 1923 Commercial to me- $1100? __________________ NRA Endowment Life member Proud veteran of the Naval Security Group

08-28-2013, 10:05 AM	#6
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,900 Thanks: 1,372 Thanked 3,094 Times in 1,503 Posts	Would a 1923 DWM Commercial have a 5 digit serial number? __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

08-28-2013, 10:39 AM	#8
G.T. Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Chandler Arizona Posts: 3,486 Thanks: 1,284 Thanked 3,583 Times in 989 Posts	nice, but not rare... I've been following 1920 style commercials on Gun Broker for quite some time now... and I see many, similar condition guns, priced for $1200.00 or more, and they never ever get a bid?? Most listed for $1000.00 or below, sell well, and those for $750.00 to $900.00 sell almost every time.... So I think the $1000.00 evaluation would be pretty close... Of course, if you can get more! Certainly don't pass that up! .....best to you, til...lat'r....GT...

08-28-2013, 12:00 AM	#2
Ben M. User Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Retired to Naples, FL. Posts: 476 Thanks: 84 Thanked 118 Times in 79 Posts	$ 1200 or so.

08-28-2013, 06:04 AM	#3
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	That is a bit overpriced for a Commercial Luger in 7.65mm with the finish issues on the sideplate and magazine, in my opinion. There is also edge wear and discoloration throughout the pistol. $1,000 would be closer to what I would pay. BTW, one of your grip screws appears to be a proofed Erfurt replacement. You might consider selling/swapping this screw out to a collector for a little bit of extra cash before selling the pistol.

08-28-2013, 10:31 AM	#7
Whiteleather New User Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks for the replies! I missed that proof on the screw. Only one screw has the stamp. It looks like a crown, but there is no lettering. The edge wear is likely from being holstered in an old ALP 1911 holster instead of Luger holster.

08-28-2013, 04:36 PM	#9
K.Wilhelm User Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: South Central Colorado Posts: 215 Thanks: 45 Thanked 109 Times in 66 Posts	5 digit number commercials mrerick- my understanding is that the 5 digit commercials are 1923 models, but I could be wrong. KW __________________ NRA Endowment Life member Proud veteran of the Naval Security Group

08-29-2013, 08:53 AM	#10
Douglas Jr. User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: South America Posts: 948 Thanks: 598 Thanked 584 Times in 254 Posts	In fact, the continious numbering (with five digits) was dropped by DWM/BKIW in 1922. After that date the Commercial guns were serialized as military guns (four digits and a suffix). So, since Jan Still's "Weimar Lugers", pistols with five digits are called 1920 DWM. Later guns (with suffixes) were named Alphabet Lugers. All the best, Douglas

08-29-2013, 11:07 AM	#11
Whiteleather New User Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	So...gotta ask...are new Lugers being produced? The workmanship is superb, so I expect that they are too expensive to produce today. But given the advances with CNC it seems like the old designs would be a snap to reproduce. Hand fitting would still be needed on some parts, but certainly the milling portions are easier now than ever. I have a buddy with a Luger in .22 lr. Its a neat gun and would make a nice addition if it were available.

08-29-2013, 06:35 PM	#13
K.Wilhelm User Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: South Central Colorado Posts: 215 Thanks: 45 Thanked 109 Times in 66 Posts	5 digit commercials Thanks for setting me straight on the 5 digit serial number commercials, Douglas Jr. Guess I have to get some more up-to-date books! KW __________________ NRA Endowment Life member Proud veteran of the Naval Security Group