Police DWM 1913 with the sear saftey

kk5fe · 05-11-2013, 07:12 PM

I have another couple questions on a Luger I have. Its a 1913 DWM with the 1920 Weimar government ownership stamp? Did I get that right?

It also has the sear saftey. All parts match except the trigger and the magazine. My real question though is.... are the grips original or repros? They are old, but I've never seen ones that look like these. They have a bevel around the edge and are somewhat thick. Its in good over all condition with some wear. The bore looks good a shiny.

I have several photos of the gun. If anyone can give me some other info on it, that would be great! What would be an approxomate value of this?

Edward Tinker · 05-11-2013, 09:36 PM

Pretty sure the grips are older repro, as the holes in the rear many times are just like that, and no last two of the serial number. The grips are in the Swiss style, not the p08 style.

The side plate I am pretty sure is an Erfurt, but it being cut for a sear safety is weird

Ed

kk5fe · 05-11-2013, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Edward Tinker

Pretty sure the grips are older repro, as the holes in the rear many times are just like that, and no last two of the serial number. The grips are in the Swiss style, not the p08 style.

The side plate I am pretty sure is an Erfurt, but it being cut for a sear safety is weird

Ed

Thanks Ed! I figured the grips didn't go with the gun. Do you mean the side plate was meant for another gun? It has the same number stamped on it.

Nomadr · 05-11-2013, 10:24 PM

Side plate has the Enfurt crown. So, same number but from a different pistol.

Grips are repro as stated above. I think Italian made?

Bob

DavidJayUden · 05-11-2013, 10:42 PM

That stamping beside the numbers on the side plate appears to be an Erfurt stamping suggesting that is originally an Erfurt-made part. I'm a bit confused by that and the matching numbers too. And the 4 serial numbers on the left side of the barrel extension seem a bit smaller than usual too. No white paint in the safety lettering.
But we need to keep in mind that once the police got ahold of them there were parts replaced, bluing re-blued, grips replaced, mags. and numbers re-stamped. These guns rarely match in the way that we are used to.
You asked about value, and I'd put it around $800, but the police Luger guys may tell me I'm all wet.
Welcome aboard.
dju

policeluger · 05-11-2013, 11:38 PM

No David, price is about right on.....

Patronen · 05-13-2013, 07:25 AM

The pistol also has a stock lug. Looks to be a b under the number on the frame, not sure if the b range had stock lugs on a 1913 yet?

One of the most rough looking stamped 1920 I've seen so far.

kk5fe · 05-13-2013, 09:16 AM

Rough? I wouldn't say that exactly. It's certainly seen use, but I've seen worse. You must have some pristine pistols in your collection.

wlyon · 05-13-2013, 09:42 AM

I believe stock lugs started around 4000 b. Bill

Douglas Jr. · 05-13-2013, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by kk5fe

Rough? I wouldn't say that exactly. It's certainly seen use, but I've seen worse. You must have some pristine pistols in your collection.

I think he is refering to the crudely done "1920" property stamp...

Patronen · 05-13-2013, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by kk5fe

Rough? I wouldn't say that exactly. It's certainly seen use, but I've seen worse. You must have some pristine pistols in your collection.

I meant how they stamped the 1920 property mark off center etc., not the overall condition of the pistol.

1 step or 2 above tilled up from the back 40 is more like the majority of my collection

kk5fe · 05-13-2013, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Patronen

I meant how they stamped the 1920 property mark off center etc., not the overall condition of the pistol.

1 step or 2 above tilled up from the back 40 is more like the majority of my collection

Ahhh.... Gotcha. Yes I agree with that. Looks like it was done on a Friday just before quiting time.....

ithacaartist · 05-14-2013, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by kk5fe

Ahhh.... Gotcha. Yes I agree with that. Looks like it was done on a Friday just before quiting time.....

...or maybe on a bet, to see if it could be done blindfolded!

wlyon · 05-14-2013, 04:54 PM

Don't know about Erfurts but believe stock lugs on 1913 DWM around 4000b. Bill

abzug · 05-14-2013, 05:26 PM

Bill, you are correct- I got my manufacturers crossed.

05-11-2013, 07:12 PM	#1
kk5fe User Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: New Orleans Posts: 29 Thanks: 6 Thanked 19 Times in 4 Posts	Police DWM 1913 with the sear saftey I have another couple questions on a Luger I have. Its a 1913 DWM with the 1920 Weimar government ownership stamp? Did I get that right? It also has the sear saftey. All parts match except the trigger and the magazine. My real question though is.... are the grips original or repros? They are old, but I've never seen ones that look like these. They have a bevel around the edge and are somewhat thick. Its in good over all condition with some wear. The bore looks good a shiny. I have several photos of the gun. If anyone can give me some other info on it, that would be great! What would be an approxomate value of this?

05-11-2013, 09:36 PM	#2
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,960 Thanks: 2,062 Thanked 4,592 Times in 2,114 Posts	Pretty sure the grips are older repro, as the holes in the rear many times are just like that, and no last two of the serial number. The grips are in the Swiss style, not the p08 style. The side plate I am pretty sure is an Erfurt, but it being cut for a sear safety is weird Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

05-13-2013, 07:25 AM	#7
Patronen User Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 312 Thanks: 335 Thanked 93 Times in 70 Posts	The pistol also has a stock lug. Looks to be a b under the number on the frame, not sure if the b range had stock lugs on a 1913 yet? One of the most rough looking stamped 1920 I've seen so far. __________________ Dave

05-13-2013, 09:42 AM	#9
wlyon Lifer 2X Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewhere in Montana Posts: 2,652 Thanks: 3,210 Thanked 2,613 Times in 969 Posts	I believe stock lugs started around 4000 b. Bill __________________ Bill Lyon

05-14-2013, 04:54 PM	#14
wlyon Lifer 2X Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewhere in Montana Posts: 2,652 Thanks: 3,210 Thanked 2,613 Times in 969 Posts	Don't know about Erfurts but believe stock lugs on 1913 DWM around 4000b. Bill __________________ Bill Lyon

05-11-2013, 10:24 PM	#4
Nomadr Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 276 Thanks: 16 Thanked 28 Times in 22 Posts	Side plate has the Enfurt crown. So, same number but from a different pistol. Grips are repro as stated above. I think Italian made? Bob

05-11-2013, 10:42 PM	#5
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	That stamping beside the numbers on the side plate appears to be an Erfurt stamping suggesting that is originally an Erfurt-made part. I'm a bit confused by that and the matching numbers too. And the 4 serial numbers on the left side of the barrel extension seem a bit smaller than usual too. No white paint in the safety lettering. But we need to keep in mind that once the police got ahold of them there were parts replaced, bluing re-blued, grips replaced, mags. and numbers re-stamped. These guns rarely match in the way that we are used to. You asked about value, and I'd put it around $800, but the police Luger guys may tell me I'm all wet. Welcome aboard. dju

05-11-2013, 11:38 PM	#6
policeluger RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ca. Posts: 2,141 Thanks: 8 Thanked 89 Times in 54 Posts	No David, price is about right on.....

05-13-2013, 09:16 AM	#8
kk5fe User Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: New Orleans Posts: 29 Thanks: 6 Thanked 19 Times in 4 Posts	Rough? I wouldn't say that exactly. It's certainly seen use, but I've seen worse. You must have some pristine pistols in your collection.

05-14-2013, 05:26 PM	#15
abzug User Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Texas, USA Posts: 13 Thanks: 25 Thanked 7 Times in 4 Posts	Bill, you are correct- I got my manufacturers crossed.