Are these grips original?

bmwr12 · 12-07-2012, 04:26 PM

I purchased these but they do not fit my luger.(would need to be fitted) Can someone tell me if these are real or fake? Thanks

http://www.ebay.com/itm/GERMAN-WWII-...vip=true&rt=nc

DavidJayUden · 12-07-2012, 05:55 PM

IMHO they are real reproductions. AKA fakes. I'm judging by the courseness of the checkering and overall condition, no oil stains on the edges, etc. The numbers are added to try to pass them off as originals.
However on a recent commercial Luger it showed similar checkering and others here accepted them as originals, so let's see that they have to say.
dju

CJS57 · 12-07-2012, 05:58 PM

Reproduction

Mike Z · 12-07-2012, 08:48 PM

I Agree Repops

alanint · 12-08-2012, 09:43 AM

The long tail at the bottom front of the grips would indicate that they would not drop into an existing frame but would require fitting.

I agree that these are reproductions which have never been on a gun.

ithacaartist · 12-08-2012, 11:59 AM

+1, all the above makes sense.
Also, something looks weird on the back regarding the router marks; they are most pronounced--I've never observed this on original grips. Has anyone else?

SteveM · 12-08-2012, 12:21 PM

Repros..he says no returns or exchanges but if it means him going from 100% feedback to 99% I bet he would take them back. Just my opinion.

DavidJayUden · 12-08-2012, 03:35 PM

It matters not a whit what he says about no returns on E-bay. If the item is not as described he will be forced to take it back and refund your money. File a case thru E-bay, and if you paid thru paypal file with them too. It will take a bit of time but people like this need to find another rock to hide under.
dju

bmwr12 · 12-08-2012, 11:21 PM

The seller is taking them back.

John Sabato · 12-10-2012, 04:58 PM

They are Computer Numerically Controlled (CNC) manufactured reproductions made of wood that used byf Bakelite ("Black Widow") or Kreighoff bakelite grips as the model for the basic shape... the checkering is NOT like the original, but the inside features give away the method of manufacture.

Since they are a copy of an original grip using a stylus following the curves of the original, the slight differences based on the router bit used have produced them slightly "off size" so they require fitting...

Nice concept, but certainly not original grips.

BAT340 · 12-28-2012, 12:48 PM

Real Cherry '68 Charger...Nice!

sheepherder · 12-28-2012, 02:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ithacaartist

Also, something looks weird on the back regarding the router marks; they are most pronounced...

It looks like they have the feed rate set too high...

12-07-2012, 04:26 PM	#1
bmwr12 User Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 16 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Are these grips original? I purchased these but they do not fit my luger.(would need to be fitted) Can someone tell me if these are real or fake? Thanks http://www.ebay.com/itm/GERMAN-WWII-...vip=true&rt=nc

12-08-2012, 11:59 AM	#6
ithacaartist Twice a Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Atop the highest hill in Schuyler County NY Posts: 3,369 Thanks: 7,435 Thanked 2,611 Times in 1,378 Posts	+1, all the above makes sense. Also, something looks weird on the back regarding the router marks; they are most pronounced--I've never observed this on original grips. Has anyone else? __________________ "... Liberty is the seed and soil, the air and light, the dew and rain of progress, love and joy."-- Robert Greene Ingersoll 1894

12-10-2012, 04:58 PM	#10
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,155 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,308 Times in 1,098 Posts	They are Computer Numerically Controlled (CNC) manufactured reproductions made of wood that used byf Bakelite ("Black Widow") or Kreighoff bakelite grips as the model for the basic shape... the checkering is NOT like the original, but the inside features give away the method of manufacture. Since they are a copy of an original grip using a stylus following the curves of the original, the slight differences based on the router bit used have produced them slightly "off size" so they require fitting... Nice concept, but certainly not original grips. Attached Thumbnails __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

12-07-2012, 05:55 PM	#2
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	IMHO they are real reproductions. AKA fakes. I'm judging by the courseness of the checkering and overall condition, no oil stains on the edges, etc. The numbers are added to try to pass them off as originals. However on a recent commercial Luger it showed similar checkering and others here accepted them as originals, so let's see that they have to say. dju

12-07-2012, 05:58 PM	#3
CJS57 User Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 224 Thanks: 0 Thanked 81 Times in 41 Posts	Reproduction

12-07-2012, 08:48 PM	#4
Mike Z User Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Michigan Posts: 181 Thanks: 54 Thanked 79 Times in 39 Posts	I Agree Repops

12-08-2012, 09:43 AM	#5
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,917 Times in 1,193 Posts	The long tail at the bottom front of the grips would indicate that they would not drop into an existing frame but would require fitting. I agree that these are reproductions which have never been on a gun.

12-08-2012, 12:21 PM	#7
SteveM User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 1,016 Thanks: 94 Thanked 275 Times in 137 Posts	Repros..he says no returns or exchanges but if it means him going from 100% feedback to 99% I bet he would take them back. Just my opinion.

12-08-2012, 03:35 PM	#8
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	It matters not a whit what he says about no returns on E-bay. If the item is not as described he will be forced to take it back and refund your money. File a case thru E-bay, and if you paid thru paypal file with them too. It will take a bit of time but people like this need to find another rock to hide under. dju

12-08-2012, 11:21 PM	#9
bmwr12 User Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 16 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	The seller is taking them back.

12-28-2012, 12:48 PM	#11
BAT340 User Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Louisville, Ky Posts: 21 Thanks: 7 Thanked 6 Times in 3 Posts	Real Cherry '68 Charger...Nice!