Amusing luger auctions

Hugo Borchardt · 07-12-2012, 01:16 AM

Rare DWH Artillery luger:
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=295811238

Rare DMW luger:
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=295405696

Ron Wood · 07-12-2012, 01:24 AM

I like the DMW Bulgarian mix...kinda cool and only priced a little over 3 times too high.

gunnertwo · 07-12-2012, 01:26 AM

You might think they would do a little research prior to listing... Perhaps even learning to tell when something is refinished? Just saying...

G2

Curly1 · 07-12-2012, 09:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gunnertwo

You might think they would do a little research prior to listing... Perhaps even learning to tell when something is refinished? Just saying...

G2

That's crazy talk

ithacaartist · 07-12-2012, 01:05 PM

These listings remind me of this website http://www.wisdomofchopra.com/ . With each spin of the wheel, these people put together these descriptions from random Luger-related of Luger-sounding words. The words individually may be real, but the way they are used results in an end product that is jibberish with a price tag of $2995.

lugersrkewl · 07-12-2012, 05:26 PM

2000 for a reblued dwh(duetche waffen hackufakturen?

thanks for this thread

Arizona Slim · 07-12-2012, 08:14 PM

Amusing luger auctions

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Rare DWH Artillery luger:
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=295811238

Rare DMW luger:
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=295405696
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Clark,
You may want to add this auction to your list of "Amusing Luger Auctions" @ www.gunbroker.com item 295626523. For only $3999.99 you can purchase what may be the worst hack job you have ever seen on an Artillery Luger. Sorry I was not able to provide a direct link as you did.

Lon

SteveM · 07-12-2012, 09:00 PM

Link..

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=295626523

sheepherder · 07-13-2012, 06:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arizona Slim

Clark,
You may want to add this auction to your list of "Amusing Luger Auctions" @ www.gunbroker.com item 295626523. For only $3999.99 you can purchase what may be the worst hack job you have ever seen on an Artillery Luger.
Lon

What the...???...It has two rear sights! One on the toggle...Navy???...And one on the barrel - Arty...

Plus the welded lanyard loop...and a ground down and then brazed in stock lug...and...and...

Excuse me...I think I'm going to be sick...

alanint · 07-13-2012, 07:40 AM

What's with the crappy, secondary back sight? Is that for shooting over the horizon?

Ron Wood · 07-13-2012, 10:55 AM

Doug,
You nailed it! That is the rare, late war "indirect fire" Luger used to augment light artillery. It fired a small explosive charge and the welded lanyard loop was actually a reinforcement that allowed it to be attached to a horse drawn caisson. Unfortunately, the pintle hook for towing has been ground off the base of the grip.
The charge was not necessarily lethal, but was usually employed around 4:00 PM against British troops to disturb them during tea. The concept was quickly abandoned since this really ticked off the Brits and made them even more effective...hence the rarity of these pieces. Very few were made and many of them disappeared up the backsides of German artillerymen when the Brits over ran their positions.
Hope this helps.

GySgt1811 · 07-13-2012, 11:02 AM

Thanks, Ron. I just laughed so hard I pooped a little.

(A common malady at my age.)

John D.

siegersallee · 07-13-2012, 04:21 PM

Quote:

Doug,
You nailed it! That is the rare, late war "indirect fire" Luger used to augment light artillery. It fired a small explosive charge and the welded lanyard loop was actually a reinforcement that allowed it to be attached to a horse drawn caisson. Unfortunately, the pintle hook for towing has been ground off the base of the grip.
The charge was not necessarily lethal, but was usually employed around 4:00 PM against British troops to disturb them during tea. The concept was quickly abandoned since this really ticked off the Brits and made them even more effective...hence the rarity of these pieces. Very few were made and many of them disappeared up the backsides of German artillerymen when the Brits over ran their positions.
Hope this helps.

That's hilarious...I almost spilled my schnapps!

alanint · 07-13-2012, 11:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ron Wood

The charge was not necessarily lethal, but was usually employed around 4:00 PM against British troops to disturb them during tea.

I always wondered what "Harrassing Fire" referred to in the manuals.........

JTD · 07-14-2012, 08:59 PM

I hate to disagree with Ron, but I believe this is a combination compass/can opener on the rear of the gun. The pintle hitched disturberwerfer was phased out much earlier in the war.

lugersrkewl · 07-14-2012, 10:46 PM

Ha!

sheepherder · 07-15-2012, 08:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alanint

I always wondered what "Harrassing Fire" referred to in the manuals.........

I spent about an hour on the Enfield Forum looking for a pic & definition of 'volley fire' rifle sights...Found them...But am still skeptical that any military would not only design & manufacture (and fit) such sights on a rifle...but actually (if accounts can be believed) use them as designed...

VC · 07-24-2012, 10:51 AM

Hello Ron!
I am Bulgarian and I am interested in anything that is related to the Bulgarian history. I need help with this Bulgarian Luger.
I don't know where to start

1. OK this is obviously not Artillery model but may be Navy.
2. I could not find any data for Navy-Bulgarian model.
3. The barrel was replaced - that is why there is no serial number on the barrel.
4. I was not able to find any info for Bulgarian Luger with barrel longer than 4.75 inch. I found info (and I saw in Bulgaria guns that were re-barreled back in 1910-1948 to 9mm, but they usually have shorter barrel - 100 mm, not longer. Sometimes the barrel will have re-punched serial numbers which was a requirement after the communists come on power and strict control of all guns came on place.
5. The Bulgarian models have the text on the frame for safety in Cyrillic not in German. I cannot see if the loaded chamber indicator has "Loaded" text in Cyrillic nor if it has serial number that is matching the frame.
6. I cannot find reasonable explanation the combination of German text with the Bulgarian Lion stamped on the right side of the barrel housing, Bulgarian crest on the toggle and the matching serial numbers.
7. The gun looks re-polished and refinished - the pitting around the lion bench mark are surrounded by perfect bluing which is only possible if the gun was re-polished and re-finished but the rust damage was too deep. The color of the original bluing is grayish-black and this is more blue-purple The bluing color is typical for the chemical process which was not used when this gun was manufactured.
All these brings me to the main problem - please help me understand what is this and does it have any collectible value. I do have some knowledge in antiques and guns (major in history and archaeology, years of expeditions back in Bulgaria, over 10 years in restoration, appraisal and sales of Greek, Roman and Byzantine antiquities here in the States; 36 years in sport shooting, Assistant National Pistol Coach for US and importer, distributer and service provider for Pardini pistols in US) but I am completely lost here. Or maybe I wish this to be a real Bulgarian Luger too much and don't wont to accept that this is forgery and need your reassurance

Thank you and anybody else who can help!
Vladimir Chichkov

Ron Wood · 07-24-2012, 01:32 PM

Vladimir,
The "Bulgarian" that was for sale on Gunbroker is a custom made assembly of parts from different guns. The frame is probably from a German military piece made after late 1913 (can be dated because of the stock lug). The receiver and toggle assembly are from a 1908 (M11) Bulgarian Luger. The barrel is an aftermarket replacement and the entire gun has been refinished with a salt blue and a set of reproduction grips installed. It is a very attractive item but in no way original. What little collector value it has stems from the fairly scarce Bulgarian receiver and toggle assembly. As it is, it is valued only as a "shooter" and top dollar would be around $800 because it is so nicely done and the long barrel is nice for shooting.
I hope this answers your questions

Ron

VC · 07-24-2012, 04:33 PM

Thank you Ron!
What a disappointment

Well, I will have to wait for other Bulgarian to show up, hopefully with purer blood

Any idea where can I look for one?
Have a great day!
Vl.

07-12-2012, 01:16 AM	#1
Hugo Borchardt User Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Tennessee Posts: 372 Thanks: 340 Thanked 143 Times in 48 Posts	Amusing luger auctions Rare DWH Artillery luger: http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=295811238 Rare DMW luger: http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=295405696 __________________ My militaria collection is dedicated to the memory of my Grandfather, Marine Gunnery Sergeant Dave Hill, Jr., wounded in action at The Assault of the Second Marine Division on Betio Island, Tarawa Atoll, 20-23 November, 1943. http://www.tarawa1943.com/pages/casualties%20tarawa.htm

07-12-2012, 01:24 AM	#2
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,039 Thanks: 1,106 Thanked 5,253 Times in 1,723 Posts	I like the DMW Bulgarian mix...kinda cool and only priced a little over 3 times too high. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

07-13-2012, 10:55 AM	#11
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,039 Thanks: 1,106 Thanked 5,253 Times in 1,723 Posts	Doug, You nailed it! That is the rare, late war "indirect fire" Luger used to augment light artillery. It fired a small explosive charge and the welded lanyard loop was actually a reinforcement that allowed it to be attached to a horse drawn caisson. Unfortunately, the pintle hook for towing has been ground off the base of the grip. The charge was not necessarily lethal, but was usually employed around 4:00 PM against British troops to disturb them during tea. The concept was quickly abandoned since this really ticked off the Brits and made them even more effective...hence the rarity of these pieces. Very few were made and many of them disappeared up the backsides of German artillerymen when the Brits over ran their positions. Hope this helps. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

07-24-2012, 01:32 PM	#19
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,039 Thanks: 1,106 Thanked 5,253 Times in 1,723 Posts	Vladimir, The "Bulgarian" that was for sale on Gunbroker is a custom made assembly of parts from different guns. The frame is probably from a German military piece made after late 1913 (can be dated because of the stock lug). The receiver and toggle assembly are from a 1908 (M11) Bulgarian Luger. The barrel is an aftermarket replacement and the entire gun has been refinished with a salt blue and a set of reproduction grips installed. It is a very attractive item but in no way original. What little collector value it has stems from the fairly scarce Bulgarian receiver and toggle assembly. As it is, it is valued only as a "shooter" and top dollar would be around $800 because it is so nicely done and the long barrel is nice for shooting. I hope this answers your questions Ron __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

07-12-2012, 01:26 AM	#3
gunnertwo User Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Nampa, Idaho Posts: 627 Thanks: 843 Thanked 941 Times in 367 Posts	You might think they would do a little research prior to listing... Perhaps even learning to tell when something is refinished? Just saying... G2

07-12-2012, 01:05 PM	#5
ithacaartist Twice a Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Atop the highest hill in Schuyler County NY Posts: 3,372 Thanks: 7,442 Thanked 2,612 Times in 1,379 Posts	These listings remind me of this website http://www.wisdomofchopra.com/ . With each spin of the wheel, these people put together these descriptions from random Luger-related of Luger-sounding words. The words individually may be real, but the way they are used results in an end product that is jibberish with a price tag of $2995.

07-12-2012, 05:26 PM	#6
lugersrkewl Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Ussr Posts: 425 Thanks: 198 Thanked 75 Times in 58 Posts	2000 for a reblued dwh(duetche waffen hackufakturen? thanks for this thread

07-12-2012, 08:14 PM	#7
Arizona Slim Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Illinois Posts: 706 Thanks: 1,026 Thanked 409 Times in 225 Posts	Amusing luger auctions -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rare DWH Artillery luger: http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=295811238 Rare DMW luger: http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=295405696 __________________ Clark, You may want to add this auction to your list of "Amusing Luger Auctions" @ www.gunbroker.com item 295626523. For only $3999.99 you can purchase what may be the worst hack job you have ever seen on an Artillery Luger. Sorry I was not able to provide a direct link as you did. Lon

07-12-2012, 09:00 PM	#8
SteveM User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 1,016 Thanks: 94 Thanked 275 Times in 137 Posts	Link.. http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=295626523

07-13-2012, 07:40 AM	#10
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,917 Times in 1,193 Posts	What's with the crappy, secondary back sight? Is that for shooting over the horizon?

07-13-2012, 11:02 AM	#12
GySgt1811 Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Southern Indiana Posts: 237 Thanks: 1,238 Thanked 126 Times in 84 Posts	Thanks, Ron. I just laughed so hard I pooped a little. (A common malady at my age.) John D.

07-14-2012, 08:59 PM	#15
JTD User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: PA Posts: 428 Thanks: 218 Thanked 410 Times in 151 Posts	I hate to disagree with Ron, but I believe this is a combination compass/can opener on the rear of the gun. The pintle hitched disturberwerfer was phased out much earlier in the war.

07-14-2012, 10:46 PM	#16
lugersrkewl Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Ussr Posts: 425 Thanks: 198 Thanked 75 Times in 58 Posts	Ha!

07-24-2012, 10:51 AM	#18
VC New User Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 2 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hello Ron! I am Bulgarian and I am interested in anything that is related to the Bulgarian history. I need help with this Bulgarian Luger. I don't know where to start 1. OK this is obviously not Artillery model but may be Navy. 2. I could not find any data for Navy-Bulgarian model. 3. The barrel was replaced - that is why there is no serial number on the barrel. 4. I was not able to find any info for Bulgarian Luger with barrel longer than 4.75 inch. I found info (and I saw in Bulgaria guns that were re-barreled back in 1910-1948 to 9mm, but they usually have shorter barrel - 100 mm, not longer. Sometimes the barrel will have re-punched serial numbers which was a requirement after the communists come on power and strict control of all guns came on place. 5. The Bulgarian models have the text on the frame for safety in Cyrillic not in German. I cannot see if the loaded chamber indicator has "Loaded" text in Cyrillic nor if it has serial number that is matching the frame. 6. I cannot find reasonable explanation the combination of German text with the Bulgarian Lion stamped on the right side of the barrel housing, Bulgarian crest on the toggle and the matching serial numbers. 7. The gun looks re-polished and refinished - the pitting around the lion bench mark are surrounded by perfect bluing which is only possible if the gun was re-polished and re-finished but the rust damage was too deep. The color of the original bluing is grayish-black and this is more blue-purple The bluing color is typical for the chemical process which was not used when this gun was manufactured. All these brings me to the main problem - please help me understand what is this and does it have any collectible value. I do have some knowledge in antiques and guns (major in history and archaeology, years of expeditions back in Bulgaria, over 10 years in restoration, appraisal and sales of Greek, Roman and Byzantine antiquities here in the States; 36 years in sport shooting, Assistant National Pistol Coach for US and importer, distributer and service provider for Pardini pistols in US) but I am completely lost here. Or maybe I wish this to be a real Bulgarian Luger too much and don't wont to accept that this is forgery and need your reassurance Thank you and anybody else who can help! Vladimir Chichkov

07-24-2012, 04:33 PM	#20
VC New User Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 2 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thank you Ron! What a disappointment Well, I will have to wait for other Bulgarian to show up, hopefully with purer blood Any idea where can I look for one? Have a great day! Vl.