Identification & Front Sight problems

kress · 12-05-2010, 03:33 PM

Hello

I am new to this very nice forum and this is my first post.

I've recently acquired my first Luger and would really like some help to identify it. I know that it is a DMW from 1917, but that's it.

Also the front sight is loose and can be moved even more to the left than shown i the pictures. I cannot move it more to the middle.

Kress

Vlim · 12-05-2010, 03:59 PM

Hi,

The receiver notch shows that the receiver was once attached to an artillery barrel. The Tikka marked barrel shows that the current barrel is Finnish. The Finns also had their own sights which differ from the normal production ones. This sight looks like a home made or home modified one. personally I'd tap it out and get a replacement one. Chances are it will also cure the loose fit in one go.

The rear sight has also been modified, you normally find a V-shaped notch. Dunno if this is a Finnish modification though.

With the square rear sight, a square P38 front sight may also be a good option, if you plan on shooting it.

alanint · 12-05-2010, 04:04 PM

It is also mismatched, making it a shooter

Ron Wood · 12-05-2010, 04:13 PM

Your Luger was originally a LP08 (Artillery) model. It now has a barrel made by Tikka in Finland. I do not think it was ever a Finnish military piece as it does not bear the [SA] mark. The front sight has a similar appearance to a Tikka sight but I do not believe it is one. I see that there has been some effort exerted to move it, probably with a pin punch and hammer as evidenced by the deformation of the metal. It may not be a correct sight and therefore will not fit, but I think you could remove it completely from the left and clean up the slot and dovetail on the sight and try it again. You may have to touch up the dovetail with a fine file, but don't over do it. Good luck.
Ron

P.S. Gerben and Doug type faster than I do so they got their reply in while I was posting mine. Please excuse the redundant info!

kress · 12-05-2010, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Vlim

With the square rear sight, a square P38 front sight may also be a good option, if you plan on shooting it.

Thank's everybody for this information I am really impressed.

My plan is to use this gun as a shooter. Where can I find a P38 front sight or a Tikka replacement one.

Vlim · 12-05-2010, 04:49 PM

Try our forum member Lugerdoc. He should have the necessary parts

kress · 12-05-2010, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Vlim

Try our forum member Lugerdoc. He should have the necessary parts

Tank's I have just sent him a message. Hope that he can help me.

sheepherder · 12-05-2010, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Vlim

The receiver notch shows that the receiver was once attached to an artillery barrel.

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Originally Posted by Ron Wood

Your Luger was originally a LP08 (Artillery) model.

If that is so, then the toggle train has been swapped also. It has a rear sight.

Ron Wood · 12-05-2010, 11:26 PM

Rich,
Yep, you are correct. That is probably part of the mismatch that Doug spotted.

Lugerdoc · 12-05-2010, 11:35 PM

Kress, I do have P38 or NOS Mauser PO8 front sight blades available @$35 each post paid to Sweden. TH

kress · 12-06-2010, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Lugerdoc

Kress, I do have P38 or NOS Mauser PO8 front sight blades available @$35 each post paid to Sweden. TH

Hello

Perfect, will they both fit the Tikka barrel? Which one would you recommend?

kress · 12-06-2010, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by postino

If that is so, then the toggle train has been swapped also. It has a rear sight.

What part is the toggle train? (beginners question)

Norme · 12-06-2010, 12:10 PM

Hi Kress, The toggle train is the three connected parts shown in the photo. Breech block, middle toggle link, and rear toggle. Regards, Norm

sheepherder · 12-06-2010, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by kress

Hello

Perfect, will they both fit the Tikka barrel? Which one would you recommend?

You have a fairly rare Tikkakoski barrel...Why not put a Finnish front sight on it?

kress · 12-06-2010, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by postino

You have a fairly rare Tikkakoski barrel...Why not put a Finnish front sight on it?

Where can I find such a sight?

Lugerdoc · 12-12-2010, 01:38 PM

Kress, I believe that the front sight shown in your photos is a Finnish replacement. In lieu of that one the P38 type would probably be best for your square profile rear appeture. TH

12-05-2010, 03:33 PM	#1
kress User Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Stockholm Posts: 23 Thanks: 6 Thanked 2 Times in 1 Post	Identification & Front Sight problems Hello I am new to this very nice forum and this is my first post. I've recently acquired my first Luger and would really like some help to identify it. I know that it is a DMW from 1917, but that's it. Also the front sight is loose and can be moved even more to the left than shown i the pictures. I cannot move it more to the middle. Kress Attached Thumbnails

12-05-2010, 04:13 PM	#4
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,035 Thanks: 1,106 Thanked 5,242 Times in 1,719 Posts	Your Luger was originally a LP08 (Artillery) model. It now has a barrel made by Tikka in Finland. I do not think it was ever a Finnish military piece as it does not bear the [SA] mark. The front sight has a similar appearance to a Tikka sight but I do not believe it is one. I see that there has been some effort exerted to move it, probably with a pin punch and hammer as evidenced by the deformation of the metal. It may not be a correct sight and therefore will not fit, but I think you could remove it completely from the left and clean up the slot and dovetail on the sight and try it again. You may have to touch up the dovetail with a fine file, but don't over do it. Good luck. Ron P.S. Gerben and Doug type faster than I do so they got their reply in while I was posting mine. Please excuse the redundant info! __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

12-05-2010, 11:26 PM	#9
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,035 Thanks: 1,106 Thanked 5,242 Times in 1,719 Posts	Rich, Yep, you are correct. That is probably part of the mismatch that Doug spotted. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

12-05-2010, 11:35 PM	#10
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 737 Times in 484 Posts	Kress, I do have P38 or NOS Mauser PO8 front sight blades available @$35 each post paid to Sweden. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

12-06-2010, 12:10 PM	#13
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,417 Thanks: 226 Thanked 2,607 Times in 933 Posts	Hi Kress, The toggle train is the three connected parts shown in the photo. Breech block, middle toggle link, and rear toggle. Regards, Norm Attached Thumbnails

12-05-2010, 03:59 PM	#2
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,990 Times in 1,205 Posts	Hi, The receiver notch shows that the receiver was once attached to an artillery barrel. The Tikka marked barrel shows that the current barrel is Finnish. The Finns also had their own sights which differ from the normal production ones. This sight looks like a home made or home modified one. personally I'd tap it out and get a replacement one. Chances are it will also cure the loose fit in one go. The rear sight has also been modified, you normally find a V-shaped notch. Dunno if this is a Finnish modification though. With the square rear sight, a square P38 front sight may also be a good option, if you plan on shooting it.

12-05-2010, 04:04 PM	#3
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,917 Times in 1,193 Posts	It is also mismatched, making it a shooter

12-05-2010, 04:49 PM	#6
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,990 Times in 1,205 Posts	Try our forum member Lugerdoc. He should have the necessary parts

12-12-2010, 01:38 PM	#16
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 737 Times in 484 Posts	Kress, I believe that the front sight shown in your photos is a Finnish replacement. In lieu of that one the P38 type would probably be best for your square profile rear appeture. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net