Dutch Luger Info

tharpo · 06-06-2008, 06:13 PM

My nephew sent me these pictures of a Dutch luger that someone he knows may want to sell. The finish looks good but I don't know if it is original. Any information on the markings and value would be appreciated. Serial number is 10318.

Tom

tharpo · 06-06-2008, 06:14 PM

Right Side

raygun · 06-06-2008, 08:44 PM

Hmmm , nice clean original looking gun , better nick than mine, probably never went to indonesia like most dutch lugers . Holster and cleaning rod is correct . Mag doesn't look right , should have a wooden bottom . brass id plate is nice , you can tell from that to which division , regiment or group it was issued to. you would have to check all the numbered parts to see if they have the last two digits of the serial number 18 on them to tell if it all matches . It should also have the year it was last refurbished stamped on the barrel . will have to wait till I get home to look up my copy of "the Dutch Luger" to see when it was issued .

LU1900 · 06-07-2008, 01:14 AM

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Vlim · 06-07-2008, 05:36 AM

The magazine is not original, but some sort of modern reproduction.

The holster and cleaning rod alone are rather valuable. More guns than holsters survived the tropical humid climate. I wouldn't worry about the finish. With Dutch lugers 'Original Finish' is a bit of a problem, as they saw refurbishing programs every 7 years on average. (but this does not mean they were reblued every 7 years, but reblues were done to guns or parts if needed).

It's in a very nice state for a KNIL Model 1911 version.

raygun · 06-07-2008, 09:16 AM

If its a 9mm made by DWM the most likely date of issue is 1928 when 3,820 pistols were issued to the dutch east indies army , numbered between 10,182 and 14,001 . No idea of the value in the USA , but if all the numbers are correct it is a fairly rare collectors piece with only the mag detracting from it , off set by the rarity of the holster . $1400 to $1800. I would say.

I would love to find a proper holster like that for my dutch luger .

Vlim · 06-07-2008, 12:58 PM

I think the holster will fetch that amount on it's own easily.

I'm thinking more in line of some $3500 for the gun and $1500 for the holster and a couple of hundred for the cleaning tool.

This is a $5000-plus rig.

tharpo · 06-07-2008, 07:59 PM

Thanks for everyones help. I'm learning the holster and cleaning rod are very hard to find. I was off one on the serial number, it's 10319. Pictures are all I have right now and the gun is in another state so I will try to track the guy down and see if he wants to sell. Here are some more of the holster, do they look correct?

tharpo · 06-07-2008, 08:00 PM

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raygun · 06-08-2008, 03:12 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by G. van Vlimmeren
I think the holster will fetch that amount on it's own easily.

$1500 for the holster and a couple of hundred for the cleaning tool.

This is a $5000-plus rig.

Thats the last time I send you holster shopping for me gerben . you were supposed to find me a
bargain !!

raygun · 06-08-2008, 03:23 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by tharpo
Thanks for everyones help. I'm learning the holster and cleaning rod are very hard to find. I was off one on the serial number, it's 10319. Pictures are all I have right now and the gun is in another state so I will try to track the guy down and see if he wants to sell. Here are some more of the holster, do they look correct?

One digit doesn't matter , its a 1928 issue M11 . The holster appears to be correct in every respect , mind you the dutch had a few variations , but this one looks like one of the more common types . most , but not all, also had a small brass plate with a number on it fixed to the rim of the holster near the lift strap . you will have to lift the flap to see it.

Vlim · 06-09-2008, 01:33 PM

The holster flap has been shortened on one side. This will affect the value. Whoever did this sure made a costly mistake

The grip should be completely covered by the holster flap, with an additional leather piece covering the bottom area.

Ray: Sorry

A couple of them came up for auction over here last year. They didn't go cheap!

the gunman · 06-09-2008, 08:40 PM

Gerben do you remember what they went for.?

Regards Richie

raygun · 06-10-2008, 09:40 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by G. van Vlimmeren
[B]The holster flap has been shortened on one side. This will affect the value. Whoever did this sure made a costly mistake

The grip should be completely covered by the holster flap, with an additional leather piece covering the bottom area.

your quite right , its obvious now you point it out ! what a shame . haven't we all done crazy things like that in a moment of ill conceived creativity !

Vlim · 06-10-2008, 01:23 PM

Richie: Over 1200 Euros. I chickened out at 750.

Ray: Yep, we did

. But even with the 'modification' this holster is pretty rare.

06-06-2008, 06:13 PM	#1
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raygun User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: brisbane Posts: 150 Thanks: 3 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Hmmm , nice clean original looking gun , better nick than mine, probably never went to indonesia like most dutch lugers . Holster and cleaning rod is correct . Mag doesn't look right , should have a wooden bottom . brass id plate is nice , you can tell from that to which division , regiment or group it was issued to. you would have to check all the numbered parts to see if they have the last two digits of the serial number 18 on them to tell if it all matches . It should also have the year it was last refurbished stamped on the barrel . will have to wait till I get home to look up my copy of "the Dutch Luger" to see when it was issued . __________________ arma tuentur pacem

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06-07-2008, 09:16 AM	#6
raygun User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: brisbane Posts: 150 Thanks: 3 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	If its a 9mm made by DWM the most likely date of issue is 1928 when 3,820 pistols were issued to the dutch east indies army , numbered between 10,182 and 14,001 . No idea of the value in the USA , but if all the numbers are correct it is a fairly rare collectors piece with only the mag detracting from it , off set by the rarity of the holster . $1400 to $1800. I would say. I would love to find a proper holster like that for my dutch luger . __________________ arma tuentur pacem

06-07-2008, 05:36 AM	#5
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,990 Times in 1,205 Posts	The magazine is not original, but some sort of modern reproduction. The holster and cleaning rod alone are rather valuable. More guns than holsters survived the tropical humid climate. I wouldn't worry about the finish. With Dutch lugers 'Original Finish' is a bit of a problem, as they saw refurbishing programs every 7 years on average. (but this does not mean they were reblued every 7 years, but reblues were done to guns or parts if needed). It's in a very nice state for a KNIL Model 1911 version.

06-07-2008, 12:58 PM	#7
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,990 Times in 1,205 Posts	I think the holster will fetch that amount on it's own easily. I'm thinking more in line of some $3500 for the gun and $1500 for the holster and a couple of hundred for the cleaning tool. This is a $5000-plus rig.

06-07-2008, 07:59 PM	#8
tharpo Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: West Coast, USA Posts: 543 Thanks: 118 Thanked 383 Times in 158 Posts	Thanks for everyones help. I'm learning the holster and cleaning rod are very hard to find. I was off one on the serial number, it's 10319. Pictures are all I have right now and the gun is in another state so I will try to track the guy down and see if he wants to sell. Here are some more of the holster, do they look correct? Attached Thumbnails

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06-09-2008, 01:33 PM	#12
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,990 Times in 1,205 Posts	The holster flap has been shortened on one side. This will affect the value. Whoever did this sure made a costly mistake The grip should be completely covered by the holster flap, with an additional leather piece covering the bottom area. Ray: Sorry A couple of them came up for auction over here last year. They didn't go cheap!

06-09-2008, 08:40 PM	#13
the gunman User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Leland NC 28451 Posts: 1,017 Thanks: 1 Thanked 13 Times in 12 Posts	Gerben do you remember what they went for.? Regards Richie

06-10-2008, 01:23 PM	#15
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,990 Times in 1,205 Posts	Richie: Over 1200 Euros. I chickened out at 750. Ray: Yep, we did . But even with the 'modification' this holster is pretty rare.