Toggle opperation question

jayhawkhenry · 12-21-2007, 05:23 PM

Hello all,

I have a Toggle question. Being new at this, I have been reading quite a few threads. Thanks to all of you who post so much information.

I have a 1913 DWM. I noticed in the videos done by Shadowdog that the toggle lock in the up position when the magazine is empty. This was demonstrated in the take down and reassembly videos. My luger toggle will not lock in that position, mag in or out. Is there a problem? If so, what can I do about it?

It seems to shoot just fine, although the original mag with the wooden plug will not feed. I purchased two replacement mags that work great.

regards,
Henry

Edward Tinker · 12-21-2007, 05:41 PM

Henry, either your hold open is broken / not working as the army required the hold open in 1913 after serial number 3700a. If your serial number is earlier than this, it is possible it never had a hold open and was not retrofitted like many, but not all earlier lugers.

Ed

jayhawkhenry · 12-21-2007, 06:23 PM

Thank you Ed. How do I check to see if it had or should have a hold open?

Regards,
Henry

Dwight Gruber · 12-22-2007, 02:03 AM

Henry,

Look inside the frame and compare to these two examples.

--Dwight

jayhawkhenry · 12-22-2007, 06:22 PM

Thanks Dwight. It looks like it does have a holdopen. Should it be replaced?

jayhawkhenry · 12-22-2007, 06:41 PM

Dwight, thanks to your photos, I was able to locate the holdopen. I have removed and cleaned it which helped. I also discovered that it might be the replacement magazines I purchased. The are new made replacements and when inserted, the mags do not always push the holdopen spring up into place.

Thanks again for the help, Henry

John Sabato · 12-26-2007, 10:51 AM

You have identified the problem exactly... some aftermarket mags do not reach the appropriate point with the mag loading button to properly operate the holdopen... get yourself an FXO type (milled not stamped) magazine and your shooting and holdopen problems should disappear...

12-21-2007, 05:23 PM	#1
jayhawkhenry User Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Kansas Posts: 12 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Toggle opperation question Hello all, I have a Toggle question. Being new at this, I have been reading quite a few threads. Thanks to all of you who post so much information. I have a 1913 DWM. I noticed in the videos done by Shadowdog that the toggle lock in the up position when the magazine is empty. This was demonstrated in the take down and reassembly videos. My luger toggle will not lock in that position, mag in or out. Is there a problem? If so, what can I do about it? It seems to shoot just fine, although the original mag with the wooden plug will not feed. I purchased two replacement mags that work great. regards, Henry

12-21-2007, 05:41 PM	#2
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,966 Thanks: 2,066 Thanked 4,595 Times in 2,116 Posts	Henry, either your hold open is broken / not working as the army required the hold open in 1913 after serial number 3700a. If your serial number is earlier than this, it is possible it never had a hold open and was not retrofitted like many, but not all earlier lugers. Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

12-26-2007, 10:51 AM	#7
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,156 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,308 Times in 1,098 Posts	You have identified the problem exactly... some aftermarket mags do not reach the appropriate point with the mag loading button to properly operate the holdopen... get yourself an FXO type (milled not stamped) magazine and your shooting and holdopen problems should disappear... __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

12-21-2007, 06:23 PM	#3
jayhawkhenry User Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Kansas Posts: 12 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thank you Ed. How do I check to see if it had or should have a hold open? Regards, Henry

12-22-2007, 02:03 AM	#4
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,908 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,330 Times in 435 Posts	Henry, Look inside the frame and compare to these two examples. --Dwight

12-22-2007, 06:22 PM	#5
jayhawkhenry User Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Kansas Posts: 12 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks Dwight. It looks like it does have a holdopen. Should it be replaced?

12-22-2007, 06:41 PM	#6
jayhawkhenry User Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Kansas Posts: 12 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Dwight, thanks to your photos, I was able to locate the holdopen. I have removed and cleaned it which helped. I also discovered that it might be the replacement magazines I purchased. The are new made replacements and when inserted, the mags do not always push the holdopen spring up into place. Thanks again for the help, Henry