a recent photo of byf 41

rttwlrby · 10-16-2007, 06:06 PM

hello all,
really enjoying this site....here is a recent photo of a byf 41 black widow, all matching and 99% original finish..P.08's are a whole new collecting area for me...I have recently purchased 2, and both black widows...will post more photos soon.
cheers.

rttwlrby · 10-17-2007, 06:30 PM

no, its a light reflection......byf 41's dont have strawed parts....
thanx

rttwlrby · 10-17-2007, 06:34 PM

here is another pic of one of my black widow byf 41.
"Lugeritis" = a sickness for all things P.08.

Steinar · 10-18-2007, 07:20 AM

With a 6kb picture.. It may just as well be something for the key chain.
Think you should try with bigger pictures Steven. If you wan't to know if they are 'legit' to have been issued with bakelite grips, you should look at the serial number.
Mauser made nice Lugers.. if you choose to refer to them with a term made to boost value instad of 'byf'.. well, that's up to you

rttwlrby · 10-18-2007, 11:16 AM

ok....i am well aware of the fact that Americans coined the term Black Widow for the some 20% of byf Mauser P.08's that received black bakelite grips, instead of the usual walnut, when war shortages of wood occured.
If you feel there are serial #'s attributed to so called Black Widows, please share them, as all the research I have done says there were NO serial #'s attributed to so called BW's, it was random, and no serial #'s were marked on the grips to match the gun's serial #, as it would weaken the integrity of the bakelite. Sorry the europee'ons frown on the term Black Widow.
I still enjoy Mauser Luger P.08's that are "all black".
cheers

Steinar · 10-18-2007, 12:26 PM

Tac, thanks for the info. I will look into that book, I'm interested in these sorts of things. btw, I'm also from trondheim, small world uh?..

Steven, they where not random, but found on Lugers made after June 1941. From you serial, it can be determined if it they are from the first or second half of 1941. Also.. some bakelite grips where marked, but most where produced without

rttwlrby · 10-18-2007, 01:42 PM

hysterical...thanx for the Deutche lesson.

rttwlrby · 10-19-2007, 02:38 PM

funny thing.....I did go in a store here, and asked for a "Shwartzen Witwe", and DID get laughed out of the store....apparently the owner doesn't speak german.

Steinar · 10-19-2007, 04:27 PM

..another theory..

He DOES know German, you expressed the 'we' as a 'z',
as a result, you asked for a 'Black Joke' (Shwartzen Witz). The joke that came to his mind, was so funny that he burst out laughing before he could tell it

rttwlrby · 10-19-2007, 04:31 PM

ach der lieber....you may be correct....
thanx liebschoen.

Steinar · 10-19-2007, 04:34 PM

I would ask him for 'Schwartzen anrÃ?Â¼chiger' next time, and see what happens

rttwlrby · 10-19-2007, 04:37 PM

is that anything like an ausloch???

Steinar · 10-19-2007, 04:47 PM

Nah.. anrÃ?Â¼chiger would mean something like 'dirty joke'

..Santa Monica
what do you think happens when a norwegian that hardly has seen any sun, get the briliant idea to spend a couple of hours just lying on the beach? ..ohh, the pain..

rttwlrby · 10-19-2007, 04:49 PM

hahahaha......aloe vera, will soothe.

Steinar · 10-19-2007, 05:02 PM

..not sure if this needs any more comment.. It's painfull just thinking of it..

Picture is taken after I had the sense to put on more clothes

rttwlrby · 10-19-2007, 05:32 PM

cute feet steinar...lobster red.

Steinar · 10-20-2007, 03:28 AM

15 years later they have now gained their normal colour.
..very proud of my toes, brought me so many places.

Not my intention to steal the breeze of your Lugers, talking about toes is probably a good indication that we are drifting off topic..

rttwlrby · 10-21-2007, 12:16 AM

axis pistol

cheers.

back on the subject @ hand.

10-16-2007, 06:06 PM	#1
rttwlrby User Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: California Posts: 45 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	a recent photo of byf 41 hello all, really enjoying this site....here is a recent photo of a byf 41 black widow, all matching and 99% original finish..P.08's are a whole new collecting area for me...I have recently purchased 2, and both black widows...will post more photos soon. cheers. Attached Images

10-17-2007, 06:34 PM	#3
rttwlrby User Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: California Posts: 45 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	picture with no light reflection.... here is another pic of one of my black widow byf 41. "Lugeritis" = a sickness for all things P.08. Attached Images

10-18-2007, 07:20 AM	#4
Steinar User Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 1,538 Thanks: 18 Thanked 36 Times in 21 Posts	With a 6kb picture.. It may just as well be something for the key chain. Think you should try with bigger pictures Steven. If you wan't to know if they are 'legit' to have been issued with bakelite grips, you should look at the serial number. Mauser made nice Lugers.. if you choose to refer to them with a term made to boost value instad of 'byf'.. well, that's up to you __________________ Previously known as Morgan Kane

10-18-2007, 12:26 PM	#6
Steinar User Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 1,538 Thanks: 18 Thanked 36 Times in 21 Posts	Tac, thanks for the info. I will look into that book, I'm interested in these sorts of things. btw, I'm also from trondheim, small world uh?.. Steven, they where not random, but found on Lugers made after June 1941. From you serial, it can be determined if it they are from the first or second half of 1941. Also.. some bakelite grips where marked, but most where produced without __________________ Previously known as Morgan Kane

10-19-2007, 04:27 PM	#9
Steinar User Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 1,538 Thanks: 18 Thanked 36 Times in 21 Posts	..another theory.. He DOES know German, you expressed the 'we' as a 'z', as a result, you asked for a 'Black Joke' (Shwartzen Witz). The joke that came to his mind, was so funny that he burst out laughing before he could tell it __________________ Previously known as Morgan Kane

10-17-2007, 06:30 PM	#2
rttwlrby User Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: California Posts: 45 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	no, its a light reflection......byf 41's dont have strawed parts.... thanx

10-18-2007, 11:16 AM	#5
rttwlrby User Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: California Posts: 45 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	ok....i am well aware of the fact that Americans coined the term Black Widow for the some 20% of byf Mauser P.08's that received black bakelite grips, instead of the usual walnut, when war shortages of wood occured. If you feel there are serial #'s attributed to so called Black Widows, please share them, as all the research I have done says there were NO serial #'s attributed to so called BW's, it was random, and no serial #'s were marked on the grips to match the gun's serial #, as it would weaken the integrity of the bakelite. Sorry the europee'ons frown on the term Black Widow. I still enjoy Mauser Luger P.08's that are "all black". cheers

10-18-2007, 01:42 PM	#7
rttwlrby User Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: California Posts: 45 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	hysterical...thanx for the Deutche lesson.

10-19-2007, 02:38 PM	#8
rttwlrby User Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: California Posts: 45 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	funny thing.....I did go in a store here, and asked for a "Shwartzen Witwe", and DID get laughed out of the store....apparently the owner doesn't speak german.

10-19-2007, 04:31 PM	#10
rttwlrby User Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: California Posts: 45 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	ach der lieber....you may be correct.... thanx liebschoen.

10-19-2007, 04:34 PM	#11
Steinar User Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 1,538 Thanks: 18 Thanked 36 Times in 21 Posts	I would ask him for 'Schwartzen anrÃ?Â¼chiger' next time, and see what happens __________________ Previously known as Morgan Kane

10-19-2007, 04:37 PM	#12
rttwlrby User Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: California Posts: 45 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	is that anything like an ausloch???

10-19-2007, 04:47 PM	#13
Steinar User Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 1,538 Thanks: 18 Thanked 36 Times in 21 Posts	Nah.. anrÃ?Â¼chiger would mean something like 'dirty joke' ..Santa Monica what do you think happens when a norwegian that hardly has seen any sun, get the briliant idea to spend a couple of hours just lying on the beach? ..ohh, the pain.. __________________ Previously known as Morgan Kane

10-19-2007, 04:49 PM	#14
rttwlrby User Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: California Posts: 45 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	hahahaha......aloe vera, will soothe.

10-19-2007, 05:02 PM	#15
Steinar User Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 1,538 Thanks: 18 Thanked 36 Times in 21 Posts	..not sure if this needs any more comment.. It's painfull just thinking of it.. Picture is taken after I had the sense to put on more clothes __________________ Previously known as Morgan Kane

10-19-2007, 05:32 PM	#16
rttwlrby User Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: California Posts: 45 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	cute feet steinar...lobster red.

10-20-2007, 03:28 AM	#17
Steinar User Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 1,538 Thanks: 18 Thanked 36 Times in 21 Posts	15 years later they have now gained their normal colour. ..very proud of my toes, brought me so many places. Not my intention to steal the breeze of your Lugers, talking about toes is probably a good indication that we are drifting off topic.. __________________ Previously known as Morgan Kane

10-21-2007, 12:16 AM	#18
rttwlrby User Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: California Posts: 45 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	axis pistol cheers. back on the subject @ hand. Attached Thumbnails