barrel replacement

oo7ppk · 10-13-2006, 06:59 PM

how do you know if a barrel has been replaced and renumbered

Edward Tinker · 10-13-2006, 07:02 PM

*color of blueing

*font of stamping

*no correct acceptance stamps on it

* it "feels"/ "looks" wrong

Be aware, it is not often that a barrel is replaced and is renumbered (that said, I have a 6 inch not 10 feet from me that has the "correct" numbering, but is a replacement, because I also have the 4 inch barrel for it...

10-20-2006, 10:08 PM

i have a p-08 which has a matching barrel and magazine. however the font for the number 3 on both the barrel and the magazine are different then the rest of the luger. the gun has all the marking of a first issue military but also has made in germany stamped on the barrel as well as germany on each side of the frame.

Dwight Gruber · 10-21-2006, 05:29 AM

Mitch,

The number font alone is not a reliable indicator. It would be necessary to know what other markings are--or are not--on the barrel itself.

--Dwight

10-21-2006, 08:39 AM

Hi. the only other markings that i can discern on the barrel is the "made in germany" stamp. there are 2 other marks which may be proof markings or dings. the barrel is in excellent condition as is the bore.

the magazine shares the same font type serial number, 4963. under that on the magazine is what appears as a scripted J, under that is a cross, and under that is a small imperial type eagal with ther last 2numbers of the serial number, but in very small print.

all of the markings on the luger aappear to be the same as those on the 1908 military issue depicted on page 161 of "Lugers At Random". a holdopen device was added with a proof mark present. the inside strap has 48R.M.G.13 inscribed. the frame has "germany" on both sides. all the parts have matching numbers. i hope this helps. thanks

NavyLugerLover · 10-23-2006, 07:23 AM

Shape of chamber design gives good information if old barel or not...

Edward Tinker · 10-23-2006, 07:26 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by NavyLugerLover
Shape of chamber design gives good information if old barel or not...

Please give us more information, because I have been collecting for years, and I have no idea how I would tell from your statement...

Ed

NavyLugerLover · 10-23-2006, 07:33 AM

Simple:
Old design from 1902 to around 1940 has a different shape than modern 9mm Para.
Chamber is not totally conical, you have a 5mm strait bore just after the beginning of riffling.
Picture:
http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload/image2reduced.jpg

NavyLugerLover · 10-23-2006, 09:27 AM

Rick, you're all right, today, everything is possible...
NLL

Lugerdoc · 10-23-2006, 09:54 AM

Mitch, How many NOS original "made in Germany" marked barrels would you like? Unfortunately, I only have 3 or 4 each of the 9x100mm & the 7.65x150mm ones left in stock. TH

10-13-2006, 06:59 PM	#1
oo7ppk User Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 6 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	barrel replacement how do you know if a barrel has been replaced and renumbered

10-20-2006, 10:08 PM	#3
mitchs Guest Posts: n/a	renumbering i have a p-08 which has a matching barrel and magazine. however the font for the number 3 on both the barrel and the magazine are different then the rest of the luger. the gun has all the marking of a first issue military but also has made in germany stamped on the barrel as well as germany on each side of the frame.

10-23-2006, 07:23 AM	#6
NavyLugerLover User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: American Citizen outside the USA (Austria) Posts: 65 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Shape of chamber design gives good information if old barel or not... __________________ Swiss Lugers, (.30): DWM 1900, 1906 2nd variation, W+F 1906-24, 1929 Privat, 1929 Military, 9 mm 1929 Military. WW1 DWM German Lugers (9mm): Lange Pistolen P08-14 1916 & 1917, P08 1913, P08-14 1917, Navy P1904 altered safety, Navy P04-1906 downward safety. WW 2 Mauser German Lugers (9mm): 42-1940, byf 41, byf 42 black widow. And some other things...

10-23-2006, 07:33 AM	#8
NavyLugerLover User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: American Citizen outside the USA (Austria) Posts: 65 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Simple: Old design from 1902 to around 1940 has a different shape than modern 9mm Para. Chamber is not totally conical, you have a 5mm strait bore just after the beginning of riffling. Picture: http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload/image2reduced.jpg __________________ Swiss Lugers, (.30): DWM 1900, 1906 2nd variation, W+F 1906-24, 1929 Privat, 1929 Military, 9 mm 1929 Military. WW1 DWM German Lugers (9mm): Lange Pistolen P08-14 1916 & 1917, P08 1913, P08-14 1917, Navy P1904 altered safety, Navy P04-1906 downward safety. WW 2 Mauser German Lugers (9mm): 42-1940, byf 41, byf 42 black widow. And some other things...

10-23-2006, 09:27 AM	#9
NavyLugerLover User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: American Citizen outside the USA (Austria) Posts: 65 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Rick, you're all right, today, everything is possible... NLL __________________ Swiss Lugers, (.30): DWM 1900, 1906 2nd variation, W+F 1906-24, 1929 Privat, 1929 Military, 9 mm 1929 Military. WW1 DWM German Lugers (9mm): Lange Pistolen P08-14 1916 & 1917, P08 1913, P08-14 1917, Navy P1904 altered safety, Navy P04-1906 downward safety. WW 2 Mauser German Lugers (9mm): 42-1940, byf 41, byf 42 black widow. And some other things...

10-13-2006, 07:02 PM	#2
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,916 Thanks: 1,992 Thanked 4,507 Times in 2,081 Posts	color of blueing font of stamping no correct acceptance stamps on it it "feels"/ "looks" wrong Be aware, it is not often that a barrel is replaced and is renumbered (that said, I have a 6 inch not 10 feet from me that has the "correct" numbering, but is a replacement, because I also have the 4 inch barrel for it...

10-21-2006, 05:29 AM	#4
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,890 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,282 Times in 424 Posts	Mitch, The number font alone is not a reliable indicator. It would be necessary to know what other markings are--or are not--on the barrel itself. --Dwight

10-21-2006, 08:39 AM	#5
mitchs Guest Posts: n/a	Hi. the only other markings that i can discern on the barrel is the "made in germany" stamp. there are 2 other marks which may be proof markings or dings. the barrel is in excellent condition as is the bore. the magazine shares the same font type serial number, 4963. under that on the magazine is what appears as a scripted J, under that is a cross, and under that is a small imperial type eagal with ther last 2numbers of the serial number, but in very small print. all of the markings on the luger aappear to be the same as those on the 1908 military issue depicted on page 161 of "Lugers At Random". a holdopen device was added with a proof mark present. the inside strap has 48R.M.G.13 inscribed. the frame has "germany" on both sides. all the parts have matching numbers. i hope this helps. thanks

10-23-2006, 09:54 AM	#10
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	Mitch, How many NOS original "made in Germany" marked barrels would you like? Unfortunately, I only have 3 or 4 each of the 9x100mm & the 7.65x150mm ones left in stock. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net