unit marking on 1914 dwm believe commercial

jdomin · 02-01-2006, 04:57 PM

S.P. Bn 847 can anyone help identify? non dated believe 1914 DWM
thanks

Don M · 02-01-2006, 07:10 PM

Joe,

Welcome to the forum. That mark is for the Schutzpolizei (uniformed large-city police) of the city or governmental district of Bautzen in the state of Saxony. What makes you believe the pistol is a 1914 commercial? Most of the known Lugers with this marking were manufactured in the mid-1920s. If you would tell us the serial number and letter suffix on the pistol, it will help. I would also be interested in whether this Luger has/had a sear and/or magazine safety and any other markings (proofs, etc.) on the gun. Photos would be a huge help.

jdomin · 02-01-2006, 07:16 PM

Don, I was told this had the marking on the grip,S.P. Bn 847, the fellow thought it was a 1914 commerical as no date is visible on the chamber, it does have a 7880m serial number on the bbl all matching with aluminum magazine wood bottom, also has stock lug intact. Approx bluing 80% no straw on the takedown lever or extractor. What would the value be on this luger?Thanks for you input.

Edward Tinker · 02-01-2006, 07:26 PM

Joe, we would need pictures, also need to know if all original and the exact model. Is the magazine matching?

I am thinking it is actually a 1920's era made for the police alphabet luger.

Value could be $600- and it could be $1300...

Ed

Don M · 02-01-2006, 07:33 PM

Joe,

This pistol was manufactured by DWM in 1924, probably as a .30 cal. commercial, and converted to 9 mm for police service. It is similar to other m-block DWMs that were purchased for the Bautzen Schupo. Does it have a sear safety?

Incidentally, is the mark S.P.Bn. or SP.Bn.?

I'm no expert on Luger values. I recently purchased DWM 8185m all matching marked SP.Bn.669. along with two matched mags and a very nice police holster for just under $1500. I don't know how to break out the gun alone.

jdomin · 02-01-2006, 07:35 PM

the "collector" i am trying to purchase it from thinks its a 1914 and wants $1160. All the numbers match but the magazine does not have any dates or numbers on it. This would be my first luger purchase and I don't want to take home a 600 luger for $1160. Thank you Don and Ed. i have kenyon's lugers at random & the magazine resembles a 1902 cartridge counter on page 396 item 2. sorry no photos at the present time

jdomin · 02-01-2006, 07:36 PM

the mark is SP. Bn 847

policeluger · 02-01-2006, 07:56 PM

If it helps you, last month I bought a police marked, 1921 dated, matching mag 90%+ for $950, felt it was a good deal and worth up to $1,200 on a good day...but it will stay in my collection, willed upon my death to Ed...hope this helps

Don M · 02-01-2006, 08:01 PM

Joe, one more question. Has the weapon number been x'd out and replaced?

jdomin · 02-01-2006, 08:26 PM

no, x outs the numbers appear to be all original

02-01-2006, 04:57 PM	#1
jdomin User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Lancaster,Pa Posts: 11 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	unit marking on 1914 dwm believe commercial S.P. Bn 847 can anyone help identify? non dated believe 1914 DWM thanks

02-01-2006, 07:10 PM	#2
Don M Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 1,429 Thanks: 67 Thanked 292 Times in 191 Posts	Joe, Welcome to the forum. That mark is for the Schutzpolizei (uniformed large-city police) of the city or governmental district of Bautzen in the state of Saxony. What makes you believe the pistol is a 1914 commercial? Most of the known Lugers with this marking were manufactured in the mid-1920s. If you would tell us the serial number and letter suffix on the pistol, it will help. I would also be interested in whether this Luger has/had a sear and/or magazine safety and any other markings (proofs, etc.) on the gun. Photos would be a huge help. __________________ Regards, Don donmaus1@aol.com Author of History Writ in Steel: German Police Markings 1900-1936 http://www.historywritinsteel.com

02-01-2006, 07:26 PM	#4
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,915 Thanks: 1,992 Thanked 4,506 Times in 2,080 Posts	Joe, we would need pictures, also need to know if all original and the exact model. Is the magazine matching? I am thinking it is actually a 1920's era made for the police alphabet luger. Value could be $600- and it could be $1300... Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

02-01-2006, 07:33 PM	#5
Don M Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 1,429 Thanks: 67 Thanked 292 Times in 191 Posts	Joe, This pistol was manufactured by DWM in 1924, probably as a .30 cal. commercial, and converted to 9 mm for police service. It is similar to other m-block DWMs that were purchased for the Bautzen Schupo. Does it have a sear safety? Incidentally, is the mark S.P.Bn. or SP.Bn.? I'm no expert on Luger values. I recently purchased DWM 8185m all matching marked SP.Bn.669. along with two matched mags and a very nice police holster for just under $1500. I don't know how to break out the gun alone. __________________ Regards, Don donmaus1@aol.com Author of History Writ in Steel: German Police Markings 1900-1936 http://www.historywritinsteel.com

02-01-2006, 08:01 PM	#9
Don M Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 1,429 Thanks: 67 Thanked 292 Times in 191 Posts	Joe, one more question. Has the weapon number been x'd out and replaced? __________________ Regards, Don donmaus1@aol.com Author of History Writ in Steel: German Police Markings 1900-1936 http://www.historywritinsteel.com

02-01-2006, 07:16 PM	#3
jdomin User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Lancaster,Pa Posts: 11 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Don, I was told this had the marking on the grip,S.P. Bn 847, the fellow thought it was a 1914 commerical as no date is visible on the chamber, it does have a 7880m serial number on the bbl all matching with aluminum magazine wood bottom, also has stock lug intact. Approx bluing 80% no straw on the takedown lever or extractor. What would the value be on this luger?Thanks for you input.

02-01-2006, 07:35 PM	#6
jdomin User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Lancaster,Pa Posts: 11 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	the "collector" i am trying to purchase it from thinks its a 1914 and wants $1160. All the numbers match but the magazine does not have any dates or numbers on it. This would be my first luger purchase and I don't want to take home a 600 luger for $1160. Thank you Don and Ed. i have kenyon's lugers at random & the magazine resembles a 1902 cartridge counter on page 396 item 2. sorry no photos at the present time

02-01-2006, 07:36 PM	#7
jdomin User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Lancaster,Pa Posts: 11 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	the mark is SP. Bn 847

02-01-2006, 07:56 PM	#8
policeluger RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ca. Posts: 2,141 Thanks: 8 Thanked 89 Times in 54 Posts	If it helps you, last month I bought a police marked, 1921 dated, matching mag 90%+ for $950, felt it was a good deal and worth up to $1,200 on a good day...but it will stay in my collection, willed upon my death to Ed...hope this helps

02-01-2006, 08:26 PM	#10
jdomin User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Lancaster,Pa Posts: 11 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	no, x outs the numbers appear to be all original