Museum Liquidation

Dwight Gruber · 09-18-2005, 02:38 PM

An interesting story here...http://cgi.ebay.com/Wood-Stock-Germa...QQcmdZViewItem
--Dwight

Ron Wood · 09-18-2005, 03:19 PM

I think I would be very careful here...too much information. The story might be as phony as the stock.

lew1 · 09-18-2005, 03:23 PM

When the ad is read, consider how "little" information is given about the stock.

Edward Tinker · 09-18-2005, 04:07 PM

I am "watching" their auctions tho, also surprised to see several repro items, although some museums may just want it to "look" right as a display.

I would guess this story would be fairly easy to check out, at least the truth of the museum being closed? The truth on whether "these" items are true museum items is another matter.

Ed

Navy · 09-18-2005, 04:40 PM

Guys,

Ever here of Piltdown Man? A complete hoax that was displayed in British Museum for decades. Display in a museum means nothing. This piece is an example to proove that.

Tom A

c3006 · 09-18-2005, 04:54 PM

This item was pulled from the Museum of World Wars in Santa Ana, California however we are not certain if is authentic or a replica. The stock would have been in the museum as early as 1976.

They give the above statment but also say they have a 3 day inspection,what are they gonna say when someone wants to return it because its a replica?

clint

Hugh · 09-18-2005, 08:49 PM

If you manage to wade through everything until you get to the bottom of the page, they have posted this notice:

On Sep-14-05 at 18:51:38 PDT, seller added the following information:

We have received information from a bidder that indicates a possibility that this may not be an authentic Luger stock. Here is the bidder's message in full: "I think the luger stock you are showing is in fact be a post-WWII stock manufactured to go with reproduction model guns manufactured in Japan. The guns were all metal and could be functioned with dummy rounds and/or blank firing rounds. The stocks (I've seen several with stocks identical to the one you show) were well made, with a stamped metal attaching iron whereas authenic attaching irons are milled from solid steel forgings. The model stocks would attach to the model BUT NOT TO A REAL LUGER due to restrictions on marketing the model stock and gun -- to prevent violation of BATF rules about making a prohibited short-barreled rifle. (The rule was later relaxed for certain curios & relics.) You may want to alert potential buyers that the stock may not attach properly to a P08 (Luger) since the latching was deliberately designed to prevent use with a real Luger pistol -- but it will attach to the model gun."

c3006 · 09-18-2005, 09:08 PM

Well its up to $405 so someone must want a model replica stock worse than me. lol

maddog350gt · 09-19-2005, 01:17 AM

I looked at the bid history on this and the stock was only at $80-$90 when the question came in from the bidder (dated 9-14) most of the bids went in after that! Kind of makes you wonder, I guess all you have to do is say Navy and Luger in the description anything will sell for big money. This is a poor repo and it's not even of a Navy stock!

I think I would be very cautious about buying anything from this "Museum".

Bob M.

John Sabato · 09-19-2005, 08:55 AM

Hugh's post is very accurate. This is a reproduction model gun stock. You can tell by the latch mechanism. It wouldn't be worth $5.00 to me to sit in my junkbox...

I do not recognize any of the bidder's names except Bob Sptizer (SCHWOB) who has dropped out, and of course Revshop (and KK should know better...)

09-18-2005, 02:38 PM	#1
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,908 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,330 Times in 435 Posts	Museum Liquidation An interesting story here...http://cgi.ebay.com/Wood-Stock-Germa...QQcmdZViewItem --Dwight

09-18-2005, 03:19 PM	#2
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,037 Thanks: 1,106 Thanked 5,248 Times in 1,721 Posts	I think I would be very careful here...too much information. The story might be as phony as the stock. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

09-18-2005, 03:23 PM	#3
lew1 Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Kentucky Posts: 1,108 Thanks: 82 Thanked 204 Times in 112 Posts	When the ad is read, consider how "little" information is given about the stock. __________________ charlie

09-18-2005, 04:07 PM	#4
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,965 Thanks: 2,066 Thanked 4,593 Times in 2,115 Posts	I am "watching" their auctions tho, also surprised to see several repro items, although some museums may just want it to "look" right as a display. I would guess this story would be fairly easy to check out, at least the truth of the museum being closed? The truth on whether "these" items are true museum items is another matter. Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

09-18-2005, 04:54 PM	#6
c3006 User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: east tn Posts: 526 Thanks: 5 Thanked 12 Times in 5 Posts	This item was pulled from the Museum of World Wars in Santa Ana, California however we are not certain if is authentic or a replica. The stock would have been in the museum as early as 1976. They give the above statment but also say they have a 3 day inspection,what are they gonna say when someone wants to return it because its a replica? clint __________________ Men Accustomed unto thier arms and their liberties will never endure the yoke. James Harrington 1776

09-18-2005, 04:40 PM	#5
Navy RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dc 'burbs in Virginia Posts: 2,482 Thanks: 0 Thanked 16 Times in 10 Posts	Guys, Ever here of Piltdown Man? A complete hoax that was displayed in British Museum for decades. Display in a museum means nothing. This piece is an example to proove that. Tom A

09-18-2005, 08:49 PM	#7
Hugh RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Southeast Texas Swamp Posts: 2,460 Thanks: 2 Thanked 166 Times in 65 Posts	If you manage to wade through everything until you get to the bottom of the page, they have posted this notice: On Sep-14-05 at 18:51:38 PDT, seller added the following information: We have received information from a bidder that indicates a possibility that this may not be an authentic Luger stock. Here is the bidder's message in full: "I think the luger stock you are showing is in fact be a post-WWII stock manufactured to go with reproduction model guns manufactured in Japan. The guns were all metal and could be functioned with dummy rounds and/or blank firing rounds. The stocks (I've seen several with stocks identical to the one you show) were well made, with a stamped metal attaching iron whereas authenic attaching irons are milled from solid steel forgings. The model stocks would attach to the model BUT NOT TO A REAL LUGER due to restrictions on marketing the model stock and gun -- to prevent violation of BATF rules about making a prohibited short-barreled rifle. (The rule was later relaxed for certain curios & relics.) You may want to alert potential buyers that the stock may not attach properly to a P08 (Luger) since the latching was deliberately designed to prevent use with a real Luger pistol -- but it will attach to the model gun." __________________ *TRUMP FOR PREZ IN '20!*

09-18-2005, 09:08 PM	#8
c3006 User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: east tn Posts: 526 Thanks: 5 Thanked 12 Times in 5 Posts	Well its up to $405 so someone must want a model replica stock worse than me. lol __________________ Men Accustomed unto thier arms and their liberties will never endure the yoke. James Harrington 1776

09-19-2005, 01:17 AM	#9
maddog350gt User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Washougal WA Posts: 170 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	I looked at the bid history on this and the stock was only at $80-$90 when the question came in from the bidder (dated 9-14) most of the bids went in after that! Kind of makes you wonder, I guess all you have to do is say Navy and Luger in the description anything will sell for big money. This is a poor repo and it's not even of a Navy stock! I think I would be very cautious about buying anything from this "Museum". Bob M.

09-19-2005, 08:55 AM	#10
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,155 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,308 Times in 1,098 Posts	Hugh's post is very accurate. This is a reproduction model gun stock. You can tell by the latch mechanism. It wouldn't be worth $5.00 to me to sit in my junkbox... I do not recognize any of the bidder's names except Bob Sptizer (SCHWOB) who has dropped out, and of course Revshop (and KK should know better...) __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*