Mike Morris' Site...

Pete Ebbink · 07-21-2005, 11:41 AM

Mike has posted a few nice looking $ 750 to $ 900 lugers for sale on his site. One is an Erfurt with a great looking holster :

http://www.relicsofthereichs.com/lugers.htm

Ron Smith · 07-21-2005, 09:59 PM

Pete, The 1920 Weimar (ain't an Army) has been sold for a week.

Ron

Don M · 07-22-2005, 07:49 AM

Ron,

Congratulations. You got a nice buy at that price. I'm envious.

Ron Smith · 07-22-2005, 10:06 AM

Thanks, Don. It hasn't arrived yet, but I keep hoping. I will post some photos when it arrives.

I got my camera back yesterday.

Ron

Just talked to Mike. He sent it out on Monday. So, any time now.

Don M · 07-22-2005, 10:41 AM

Ron,

In an email, Mike said he was shipping it today. I asked him to check the gripstrap again to see if he could make out the x'd out weapon no. My read from the photo posted on his site suggested it could be 35 rather than 55. It makes a difference in my analysis of these Berlin Schupo marks.

Ron Smith · 07-22-2005, 10:26 PM

Don, He said he was just sending it out today?

Now isn't that odd. Unless he got confused?

What kind of a difference would the weapon number make in the analysis?

Ron

Don M · 07-22-2005, 11:12 PM

Ron,

I have discovered that you can determine the break point in the later Berlin Schupo weapon numbers (e.g., 7035 on your new Luger) that correspond to the individual units in some instances. For example, if the earlier number on your gun is 55, the first weapon number for Riot Squad 1 in the Charlottenburg (W.I.) Inspectorate was 6981. If it is 35, the first number is 7001. Yours is unique since knowing this number will also allow me to identify the full range of Precinct Police weapon numbers in the Charlottenburg Inspectorate. The starting number for this block of numbers is 5151 and Riot Squad 1 had the next higher block. If I can get enough of this type of information, it will be possible to identify the specific unit for a Berlin weapon based only on its later mark. This will help identify the units for pistols with the earlier marks obliterated.

My Auto Mag article will have more about this.

P.S. I never heard back from Mike Morris about the mark so maybe he had already sent the gun.

Edward Tinker · 07-22-2005, 11:49 PM

Don, this makes sense for consectutive bought guns, but can you can hypothosise this for most guns?

Don M · 07-23-2005, 10:07 AM

Ed,

At this point, I can only support this for Berlin but it does not require consecutively purchased guns. My article will lay out the logic.

Edward Tinker · 07-23-2005, 10:41 AM

Sounds interesting, look forward to reading it, enjoyed immensely the last one in Napca.

Ed

Ron Smith · 07-29-2005, 11:20 AM

Don, I received it this morning. Will post in the appropriate under P.08 Header above.

Ron

07-21-2005, 11:41 AM	#1
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Mike Morris' Site... Mike has posted a few nice looking $ 750 to $ 900 lugers for sale on his site. One is an Erfurt with a great looking holster : http://www.relicsofthereichs.com/lugers.htm

07-21-2005, 09:59 PM	#2
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Pete, The 1920 Weimar (ain't an Army) has been sold for a week. Ron __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

07-22-2005, 07:49 AM	#3
Don M Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 1,429 Thanks: 67 Thanked 292 Times in 191 Posts	Ron, Congratulations. You got a nice buy at that price. I'm envious. __________________ Regards, Don donmaus1@aol.com Author of History Writ in Steel: German Police Markings 1900-1936 http://www.historywritinsteel.com

07-22-2005, 10:06 AM	#4
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Thanks, Don. It hasn't arrived yet, but I keep hoping. I will post some photos when it arrives. I got my camera back yesterday. Ron Just talked to Mike. He sent it out on Monday. So, any time now. __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

07-22-2005, 10:41 AM	#5
Don M Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 1,429 Thanks: 67 Thanked 292 Times in 191 Posts	Ron, In an email, Mike said he was shipping it today. I asked him to check the gripstrap again to see if he could make out the x'd out weapon no. My read from the photo posted on his site suggested it could be 35 rather than 55. It makes a difference in my analysis of these Berlin Schupo marks. __________________ Regards, Don donmaus1@aol.com Author of History Writ in Steel: German Police Markings 1900-1936 http://www.historywritinsteel.com

07-22-2005, 10:26 PM	#6
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Don, He said he was just sending it out today? Now isn't that odd. Unless he got confused? What kind of a difference would the weapon number make in the analysis? Ron __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

07-22-2005, 11:12 PM	#7
Don M Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 1,429 Thanks: 67 Thanked 292 Times in 191 Posts	Ron, I have discovered that you can determine the break point in the later Berlin Schupo weapon numbers (e.g., 7035 on your new Luger) that correspond to the individual units in some instances. For example, if the earlier number on your gun is 55, the first weapon number for Riot Squad 1 in the Charlottenburg (W.I.) Inspectorate was 6981. If it is 35, the first number is 7001. Yours is unique since knowing this number will also allow me to identify the full range of Precinct Police weapon numbers in the Charlottenburg Inspectorate. The starting number for this block of numbers is 5151 and Riot Squad 1 had the next higher block. If I can get enough of this type of information, it will be possible to identify the specific unit for a Berlin weapon based only on its later mark. This will help identify the units for pistols with the earlier marks obliterated. My Auto Mag article will have more about this. P.S. I never heard back from Mike Morris about the mark so maybe he had already sent the gun. __________________ Regards, Don donmaus1@aol.com Author of History Writ in Steel: German Police Markings 1900-1936 http://www.historywritinsteel.com

07-22-2005, 11:49 PM	#8
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,962 Thanks: 2,063 Thanked 4,592 Times in 2,114 Posts	Don, this makes sense for consectutive bought guns, but can you can hypothosise this for most guns?

07-23-2005, 10:07 AM	#9
Don M Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 1,429 Thanks: 67 Thanked 292 Times in 191 Posts	Ed, At this point, I can only support this for Berlin but it does not require consecutively purchased guns. My article will lay out the logic. __________________ Regards, Don donmaus1@aol.com Author of History Writ in Steel: German Police Markings 1900-1936 http://www.historywritinsteel.com

07-23-2005, 10:41 AM	#10
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,962 Thanks: 2,063 Thanked 4,592 Times in 2,114 Posts	Sounds interesting, look forward to reading it, enjoyed immensely the last one in Napca. Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

07-29-2005, 11:20 AM	#11
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Don, I received it this morning. Will post in the appropriate under P.08 Header above. Ron __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...