no rear sight?

Roadkill · 05-30-2003, 03:36 PM

http://www.gunsandammoauctions.com/a...p?Item=9188306

rk

John Sabato · 05-30-2003, 03:45 PM

RK, definitely a rear toggle from an Artillery Model on this parts gun...

Jim Keenan · 05-30-2003, 06:13 PM

John, I'll go a bit further and say that as best I can read the numbers, it is an arty Luger with a replacement short barrel. The other parts seem to match (the receiver has the arty sight notch) but the barrel is an obvious replacement. I can't tell about the sideplate.

Might be an OK find for someone with an arty barrel and rear sight.

Jim

Edward Tinker · 05-30-2003, 06:24 PM

This could be a totally acceptable gun, as it is a WW2 rework? With an Eagle 63 on the barrel. EXCEPT it should have the rear sight on the toggle if it has been properly reworked, that is what you meant right Jim? {{just took me a minute to grasp that}}

It always makes me wonder when the pictures are so dark, it is hard to tell? It isn't hard to lighten pictures up, like so:

ed

Roadkill · 05-30-2003, 07:36 PM

Ed, I can't believe that the WA folks would rework one and put it into the field w/o a rear sight.
The "vet bringback" attachment ....well.

rk

Edward Tinker · 05-30-2003, 08:40 PM

Me neither, it wouldn't pass muster.

Ed

George Anderson · 05-30-2003, 10:44 PM

It's an LP08 with a P08 barrel. Not likely a German rework but shade tree job. I've been watching this thinking it's a good buy at the right price. I currently shoot a 1917 LP08 all matching and reblued by Thor. I worry about the original firing pin and such every time I run a Trommelmag through it.

Dwight Gruber · 05-30-2003, 11:37 PM

Shade tree gunsmithing indeed. Judging by the marks on the side of the receiver it has been wrenched on pretty sloppily, and harshly, to replace the barrel. I'd vote for the barrel being a real Eagle/63 removed from another Luger--note that it has a witness mark.

It may well be a good buy at the right price. I'd be cautious about the receiver rails being in alignment due to the wrench work.

--Dwight

Jim Keenan · 05-31-2003, 12:53 AM

Agreed on all of the above. I can't imagine that it is a "rework" by any military, German or otherwise. Someone got hold of an arty Luger with a bad or sawed off barrel (not uncommon post WWII) and replaced the barrel not knowing or caring about the sight or whether the gun would be really usable. Spare Luger barrels were sold here as surplus for some time. That barrel has a WaA but that is the inspector marking for the barrel itself. There is no indication that it was put on the gun (or any gun) in Germany. (No proofs.)

Jim

Lugerdoc · 05-31-2003, 10:19 AM

It's difficult to tell from the photos if the pistol is matching, less barrel, or whether the frame even has a stock lug. Be careful. TH

05-30-2003, 03:36 PM	#1
Roadkill User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,634 Thanks: 1 Thanked 28 Times in 17 Posts	no rear sight? http://www.gunsandammoauctions.com/a...p?Item=9188306 rk

05-30-2003, 03:45 PM	#2
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,156 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,309 Times in 1,098 Posts	RK, definitely a rear toggle from an Artillery Model on this parts gun... __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

05-30-2003, 06:24 PM	#4
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,974 Thanks: 2,072 Thanked 4,608 Times in 2,123 Posts	This could be a totally acceptable gun, as it is a WW2 rework? With an Eagle 63 on the barrel. EXCEPT it should have the rear sight on the toggle if it has been properly reworked, that is what you meant right Jim? {{just took me a minute to grasp that}} It always makes me wonder when the pictures are so dark, it is hard to tell? It isn't hard to lighten pictures up, like so: ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

05-30-2003, 08:40 PM	#6
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,974 Thanks: 2,072 Thanked 4,608 Times in 2,123 Posts	Me neither, it wouldn't pass muster. Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

05-31-2003, 10:19 AM	#10
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 737 Times in 484 Posts	It's difficult to tell from the photos if the pistol is matching, less barrel, or whether the frame even has a stock lug. Be careful. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

05-30-2003, 06:13 PM	#3
Jim Keenan User Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 184 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	John, I'll go a bit further and say that as best I can read the numbers, it is an arty Luger with a replacement short barrel. The other parts seem to match (the receiver has the arty sight notch) but the barrel is an obvious replacement. I can't tell about the sideplate. Might be an OK find for someone with an arty barrel and rear sight. Jim

05-30-2003, 07:36 PM	#5
Roadkill User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,634 Thanks: 1 Thanked 28 Times in 17 Posts	Ed, I can't believe that the WA folks would rework one and put it into the field w/o a rear sight. The "vet bringback" attachment ....well. rk

05-30-2003, 10:44 PM	#7
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,531 Times in 788 Posts	It's an LP08 with a P08 barrel. Not likely a German rework but shade tree job. I've been watching this thinking it's a good buy at the right price. I currently shoot a 1917 LP08 all matching and reblued by Thor. I worry about the original firing pin and such every time I run a Trommelmag through it.

05-30-2003, 11:37 PM	#8
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,908 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,330 Times in 435 Posts	Shade tree gunsmithing indeed. Judging by the marks on the side of the receiver it has been wrenched on pretty sloppily, and harshly, to replace the barrel. I'd vote for the barrel being a real Eagle/63 removed from another Luger--note that it has a witness mark. It may well be a good buy at the right price. I'd be cautious about the receiver rails being in alignment due to the wrench work. --Dwight

05-31-2003, 12:53 AM	#9
Jim Keenan User Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 184 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Agreed on all of the above. I can't imagine that it is a "rework" by any military, German or otherwise. Someone got hold of an arty Luger with a bad or sawed off barrel (not uncommon post WWII) and replaced the barrel not knowing or caring about the sight or whether the gun would be really usable. Spare Luger barrels were sold here as surplus for some time. That barrel has a WaA but that is the inspector marking for the barrel itself. There is no indication that it was put on the gun (or any gun) in Germany. (No proofs.) Jim

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