Help With New Purchase

Ron · 12-01-2007, 10:17 PM

A friend has just bought a 1911 ERFURT with all matching numbers for $1000.00 and is wondering if he got a good deal. Also would appreciate any information and comments about the gun

s/n 1944 with no suffix

Toggle inscription - 44 Erfurt with proof similar to # 18 (see picture)

Chamber inscription - 1911

Grip Safety - not present

Stock lug - not present

Caliber - 9mm

Grip Type - appear to be plastic

Thumb Safety - Safe in foreard position

Markings - The marking found in the picture above of the trigger guard appears only there. It appears to be a crown over a fancy "H".
The markings found on the right side of the chamber pictured above is also found seven other times on the gun. It is similar to # 18 but is a crown over a "d" or "c".

Barrel length - 4 inches

Marking on the edge of the extractor - similar tp #18 and the number 44

Front sight - adjustable left and right no markings at all

Rear sight - the last to numbers of th;e s/n (44) and a marking similar to number 18 mentiones above

Magazine - wood tip with no s/n

Percentage of bluing - at least 95 % very very good

Perventage of hte strawig - at least 95 % very very god

Condition of bore - very good

All Matching numbers

Your responsed will be appreciated

Thanks

Ron

Edward Tinker · 12-01-2007, 10:49 PM

Ron, if all original then $1k is a heck of a deal. However, I would say it has been reblued and restrawed. The strawing appears too nice for a 95 year old gun IMHO and blueing is awfully nice too. Also, the sideplate should have an Erfurt acceptance marking, it would look like the one on the front of the triggerguard.

The grips appear to be nice wood ones to me, a picture from the rear would prove or disprove that.

There were 10,000 1911 Erfurt's made, so not a common gun to pick up.

Ed

wdavid431 · 12-02-2007, 07:24 AM

This is really a nice looking pistol, congrats to your friend. This is a very nice find.

Karl · 12-02-2007, 10:03 AM

Ron,

I concur with Ed's assessment that the gun has been refinished and enhanced with a "matching" DWM side plate. In addition, the gun appears to have been buffed fairly heavily. Note the rounded corners, and most especially the obliterated rectangular to round chamfer at the front of the receiver and the completely buffed out Erfurt eagle in front of the other proof marks. In addition, there should be Erfurt proofmarks on the extractor and front sight which are not visible in the photos but may be present. Sorry but this is not a collector grade luger. FYI, I have a buffed, mismatched 1911 Erfurt as well - a nice shooter. The great thing about shooters is that you can shoot them - enjoy. KFS

12-01-2007, 10:49 PM	#2
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,966 Thanks: 2,066 Thanked 4,595 Times in 2,116 Posts	Ron, if all original then $1k is a heck of a deal. However, I would say it has been reblued and restrawed. The strawing appears too nice for a 95 year old gun IMHO and blueing is awfully nice too. Also, the sideplate should have an Erfurt acceptance marking, it would look like the one on the front of the triggerguard. The grips appear to be nice wood ones to me, a picture from the rear would prove or disprove that. There were 10,000 1911 Erfurt's made, so not a common gun to pick up. Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

12-02-2007, 07:24 AM	#3
wdavid431 User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Arkansas Posts: 135 Thanks: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts	This is really a nice looking pistol, congrats to your friend. This is a very nice find. __________________ W David

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12-01-2007, 10:17 PM	#1
Ron User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 19 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Help With New Purchase A friend has just bought a 1911 ERFURT with all matching numbers for $1000.00 and is wondering if he got a good deal. Also would appreciate any information and comments about the gun s/n 1944 with no suffix Toggle inscription - 44 Erfurt with proof similar to # 18 (see picture) Chamber inscription - 1911 Grip Safety - not present Stock lug - not present Caliber - 9mm Grip Type - appear to be plastic Thumb Safety - Safe in foreard position Markings - The marking found in the picture above of the trigger guard appears only there. It appears to be a crown over a fancy "H". The markings found on the right side of the chamber pictured above is also found seven other times on the gun. It is similar to # 18 but is a crown over a "d" or "c". Barrel length - 4 inches Marking on the edge of the extractor - similar tp #18 and the number 44 Front sight - adjustable left and right no markings at all Rear sight - the last to numbers of th;e s/n (44) and a marking similar to number 18 mentiones above Magazine - wood tip with no s/n Percentage of bluing - at least 95 % very very good Perventage of hte strawig - at least 95 % very very god Condition of bore - very good All Matching numbers Your responsed will be appreciated Thanks Ron

12-02-2007, 10:03 AM	#4
Karl Lifer - Twice Over Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Savannah Posts: 530 Thanks: 0 Thanked 280 Times in 123 Posts	Ron, I concur with Ed's assessment that the gun has been refinished and enhanced with a "matching" DWM side plate. In addition, the gun appears to have been buffed fairly heavily. Note the rounded corners, and most especially the obliterated rectangular to round chamfer at the front of the receiver and the completely buffed out Erfurt eagle in front of the other proof marks. In addition, there should be Erfurt proofmarks on the extractor and front sight which are not visible in the photos but may be present. Sorry but this is not a collector grade luger. FYI, I have a buffed, mismatched 1911 Erfurt as well - a nice shooter. The great thing about shooters is that you can shoot them - enjoy. KFS