Differences between 2 pistols 06/73 from the same period

vela · 05-10-2006, 04:10 AM

Mauser Obendorf produce about 1973 the guns models 06/73 Parabellum in caliper 9 mm and barrel of 6 inches.
I have detected in two of these guns (please , see attached photos) that the low part of the frame is lightly different.( into a yellow circle)
Does anybody know if there is some reason for this difference?
Thank you very much
Vela

Tomathvl · 05-10-2006, 07:59 AM

Vela,
Welcome to the forum.
0052214 has a Swiss grip configuration and 010930 has a German grip configuration.
Tom

vela · 05-10-2006, 08:55 AM

Thanks a lot Tomathvl
I never was thinking to look in this direction!.
(mainly because both pistols are in 9 mm Para and not 7,65 like is usual for Swiss models )
Very good answer.
Regards
Vela

Lugerdoc · 05-10-2006, 10:05 AM

Vela, The Swiss model 06/70 is the earlier and the PO8 framed 06/73 began manufacture a few years later, due to lack of acceptance of the Swiss model here in the USA. Both style frames were available in both calibers and barrel lengths. TH

vela · 05-10-2006, 11:23 AM

OK Tom ,Thanks
But , as a curious question,please pay attention to the fact that (in the case of photos enclosed on my topic ) both pistols have a very close serial number (11.010930 in mine 06/73 and 11.005214 on the other one ).
In the last auction from Hermann Historica in Munchen Germany http://www.hermann-historica.com/ the second pistol was clasified as a true 06/73.
Both in 9 mm Para .
Do you remain with the same opinnion like in the previous answer?
Thanks indeed
Vela

Note
My english must be terrible for averybody.Sorry ,the school time is too far..

stymie · 05-10-2006, 02:15 PM

The triggers, takedown levers (often) & safety levers are different too!

Vlim · 05-10-2006, 07:08 PM

Hi Vela,

The serial numbers are more than 5000 apart. Which is a great deal for postwar Mauser parabellums. Mauser did not produce many of those pistols, so the 5000 can be stretched over a couple of years.

The '11' only signifies the caliber (9mm).

There are actually some 'inbetween' versions, which we named the '1972-and-a-half' variations. These usually have the new type of frame, but some minor details from the older version (known as the 1972-version).

vela · 05-11-2006, 01:33 AM

Thanks Stymie and G. van Vlimmeren for your clarifications.
Vela

mauro · 05-13-2006, 01:55 AM

Hi Vela,
I am happy to see that you accept my tip of participate to the Luger Forum.
Note that you are doing a comparison between a 29/70 models (the top one) and what we called Ã¢??1972 and half variationÃ¢?Â. In fact the second Parabellum (bottom) is not a standard 06/73. In fact the side plate, the trigger and the dismounting lever are from a 29/70 model.
This is interesting indeed!
If you look at my web site, you can easily select the 06/73 page and see the differences between the pictures you have displayed and the 06/73 standard model.
Cheers,
Mauro

vela · 05-13-2006, 05:26 AM

Thanks for the info Mauro.
It is wonderfull to get the benefit of all the expertise!
Vela

05-10-2006, 04:10 AM	#1
vela User Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Near Madrid - Spain Posts: 8 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Differences between 2 pistols 06/73 from the same period Mauser Obendorf produce about 1973 the guns models 06/73 Parabellum in caliper 9 mm and barrel of 6 inches. I have detected in two of these guns (please , see attached photos) that the low part of the frame is lightly different.( into a yellow circle) Does anybody know if there is some reason for this difference? Thank you very much Vela Attached Thumbnails

05-10-2006, 10:05 AM	#4
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 737 Times in 484 Posts	Vela, The Swiss model 06/70 is the earlier and the PO8 framed 06/73 began manufacture a few years later, due to lack of acceptance of the Swiss model here in the USA. Both style frames were available in both calibers and barrel lengths. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

05-10-2006, 02:15 PM	#6
stymie User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: KC,MO USA Posts: 114 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	The triggers, takedown levers (often) & safety levers are different too! __________________ "Irony can be pretty ironic!"

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mauro FIREARM HISTORIAN AND AUT Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Belgium Posts: 1,535 Thanks: 106 Thanked 350 Times in 129 Posts	Hi Vela, I am happy to see that you accept my tip of participate to the Luger Forum. Note that you are doing a comparison between a 29/70 models (the top one) and what we called Ã¢??1972 and half variationÃ¢?Â. In fact the second Parabellum (bottom) is not a standard 06/73. In fact the side plate, the trigger and the dismounting lever are from a 29/70 model. This is interesting indeed! If you look at my web site, you can easily select the 06/73 page and see the differences between the pictures you have displayed and the 06/73 standard model. Cheers, Mauro __________________ Mauro Baudino - www.lugerlp08.com www.paul-mauser-archive.com Mauser Company and Firearm Historian - Mauser Parabellum Certification Service.

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05-10-2006, 07:59 AM	#2
Tomathvl User Join Date: May 2004 Location: Milan, IN Posts: 363 Thanks: 3 Thanked 48 Times in 19 Posts	Vela, Welcome to the forum. 0052214 has a Swiss grip configuration and 010930 has a German grip configuration. Tom

05-10-2006, 08:55 AM	#3
vela User Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Near Madrid - Spain Posts: 8 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks a lot Tomathvl I never was thinking to look in this direction!. (mainly because both pistols are in 9 mm Para and not 7,65 like is usual for Swiss models ) Very good answer. Regards Vela

05-10-2006, 11:23 AM	#5
vela User Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Near Madrid - Spain Posts: 8 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	OK Tom ,Thanks But , as a curious question,please pay attention to the fact that (in the case of photos enclosed on my topic ) both pistols have a very close serial number (11.010930 in mine 06/73 and 11.005214 on the other one ). In the last auction from Hermann Historica in Munchen Germany http://www.hermann-historica.com/ the second pistol was clasified as a true 06/73. Both in 9 mm Para . Do you remain with the same opinnion like in the previous answer? Thanks indeed Vela Note My english must be terrible for averybody.Sorry ,the school time is too far..

05-10-2006, 07:08 PM	#7
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,990 Times in 1,205 Posts	Hi Vela, The serial numbers are more than 5000 apart. Which is a great deal for postwar Mauser parabellums. Mauser did not produce many of those pistols, so the 5000 can be stretched over a couple of years. The '11' only signifies the caliber (9mm). There are actually some 'inbetween' versions, which we named the '1972-and-a-half' variations. These usually have the new type of frame, but some minor details from the older version (known as the 1972-version).

05-11-2006, 01:33 AM	#8
vela User Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Near Madrid - Spain Posts: 8 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks Stymie and G. van Vlimmeren for your clarifications. Vela

05-13-2006, 05:26 AM	#10
vela User Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Near Madrid - Spain Posts: 8 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks for the info Mauro. It is wonderfull to get the benefit of all the expertise! Vela