Repro Navy Zig-Zag Rod...

Pete Ebbink · 12-13-2004, 07:30 PM

Bought this reproduction Imperial Navy zig-zag cleaning rod on e-Bay...knowing it was a repro yet wanting to have it to go along with my 1970's 6" 9mm luger and holster rig.

Did not have to spend a lot of money for it...$ 60 and I has happy to have something to put with my 6" shooter rig.

Thought folks might like to see the quality of this one...so am posting photos.

What is obviously "wrong" that could not be mistaken for an original is :

1. Made of steel not brass.
2. Diameter of shaft is very thick.
3. Wooden handle does not swivel on top of the metal shaft.
4. Would not think the Imperial navy folks would be stamping a tool with the "1939" date...

Overall, it is a decently made rod and I am glad to have it to shove into my 6" shooter holster's cleaning rod pouch...

Regards,

Pete...

Pete Ebbink · 12-13-2004, 07:40 PM

P.S.

Anyone got stuck with buying one of those brass zig-zap copies made up a few years ago...and willing to admit it... ? I would like to see close-up photos of the workmanship on one of those...??? Might help others know to stay away from them as they pop-up at gun shows...

Regards,

Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

Navy · 12-16-2004, 04:36 PM

Pete,

We displayed a comparison photo of a real zig-zag and a "highly questionable" one at Chattanooga during my presentation.

The metal is a correct duplicate in external dimensions; its the handle and the "not quite right" patination of the brass that are the principal visual differences.

Tom A.

Pete Ebbink · 12-17-2004, 06:04 PM

Hi Tom,

Any chance you might have a good side-by-side comparison photo of the two...?

If you have them, email to me and I can post them : "pebbink@pacbell.net"...

I was hoping we could post so others could see the differences and/or know what to look for in those brass repro units...that are floating around.

Regards,

Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

John Sabato · 12-20-2004, 10:46 AM

Pete... If I had my druthers for Christmas, it would be a digital camera for Big Norm, with a REAL COLOR PRINTER,

... AND TOM HELLER (another guy who needs a digital camera...along with a REAL COMPUTER ...he is still using that darned WebTV device!

... and to have both of those guys and sitting with TOM ARMSTRONG in the same room for about an hour (without alcoholic beverages) with their computers, and cameras and connected to the internet so I could instruct them personally on movement of photos from their cameras to the Lugerforum server... It sure would save a lot of time and anticipatory frustration for us photo collectors... and then once the light bulb came on for all three of them we could adjourn to someplace with appropriate seasonal refreshments...

I hope Santa is listening... Santa, they really have been good boys this year!...

Lugerdoc · 12-21-2004, 10:50 AM

John S, Of course you are correct, but if I did get fully equipted, I'd probably have to spend all day sending you guys photos, rather than sending out orders. My current 2 to 3 hours a day just on these forums, seems to be the max time that I can afford. Th

Edward Tinker · 12-21-2004, 10:54 AM

Well actually, you probably spend 30 min to an hour longer than you'd have to using webtv. With a computer, you click and see, save info etc. With webtv, the interface is harder and thus takes more time. Especially when typing messages?

and you just do like a lot of these older guys, and tell them, sorry no picture capability... Although, I think it'd increase sales?

ed

John Sabato · 12-21-2004, 11:06 AM

I agree with Ed. Tom, once you got the hang of it, sending photos is no different than sending text... folks could see what you are offering and I think it would increase sales...

Pete Ebbink · 01-09-2005, 02:18 PM

Same item on auction again...a repro Navy rod...and not a very good likeness...at all...

Bidding over $ 260...WOW !!!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...502983242&rd=1

Navy · 01-09-2005, 07:45 PM

Bogus and not even a good quality fake.

Tom A.

John Sabato · 01-10-2005, 11:09 AM

If you look at the bidders list, you can see that the knowledgeable folks stopped bidding at $25.00...

The same guy purchased a standard WW2 P.08 cleaning rod for over $217.50 at the beginning of the month... I hope he finds the Lugerforum soon so he can ask questions , before he is bankrupt!

Vlim · 01-11-2005, 03:16 PM

This is one I picked up a while ago. Looks wrong and probably is. Tube is steel and the handle swivels but has the appearance of a cheap repair. Only 2 rings on each side.

It's shoddy quality may mean it's former Dutch police property

(who did own a number of navies and LP08s, purchased after 1918 and taken from German vessels in Belgian ports).

I'm still curious about it's origins.

Pete Ebbink · 02-01-2005, 11:01 PM

Another steel (rusted) zig-zag "Navy" rod from Austraila :

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...508473565&rd=1

Ron Wood · 02-01-2005, 11:22 PM

There is some real crap coming out of Australia lately. Competition for Waffenfabrik USA.

12-13-2004, 07:30 PM	#1
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Repro Navy Zig-Zag Rod... Bought this reproduction Imperial Navy zig-zag cleaning rod on e-Bay...knowing it was a repro yet wanting to have it to go along with my 1970's 6" 9mm luger and holster rig. Did not have to spend a lot of money for it...$ 60 and I has happy to have something to put with my 6" shooter rig. Thought folks might like to see the quality of this one...so am posting photos. What is obviously "wrong" that could not be mistaken for an original is : 1. Made of steel not brass. 2. Diameter of shaft is very thick. 3. Wooden handle does not swivel on top of the metal shaft. 4. Would not think the Imperial navy folks would be stamping a tool with the "1939" date... Overall, it is a decently made rod and I am glad to have it to shove into my 6" shooter holster's cleaning rod pouch... Regards, Pete... Last edited by Pete Ebbink; 12-21-2004 at 09:16 PM.

12-20-2004, 10:46 AM	#5
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,155 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,308 Times in 1,098 Posts	Pete... If I had my druthers for Christmas, it would be a digital camera for Big Norm, with a REAL COLOR PRINTER, ... AND TOM HELLER (another guy who needs a digital camera...along with a REAL COMPUTER ...he is still using that darned WebTV device! ... and to have both of those guys and sitting with TOM ARMSTRONG in the same room for about an hour (without alcoholic beverages) with their computers, and cameras and connected to the internet so I could instruct them personally on movement of photos from their cameras to the Lugerforum server... It sure would save a lot of time and anticipatory frustration for us photo collectors... and then once the light bulb came on for all three of them we could adjourn to someplace with appropriate seasonal refreshments... I hope Santa is listening... Santa, they really have been good boys this year!... __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

12-21-2004, 10:50 AM	#6
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 737 Times in 484 Posts	John S, Of course you are correct, but if I did get fully equipted, I'd probably have to spend all day sending you guys photos, rather than sending out orders. My current 2 to 3 hours a day just on these forums, seems to be the max time that I can afford. Th __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

12-21-2004, 10:54 AM	#7
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,961 Thanks: 2,062 Thanked 4,592 Times in 2,114 Posts	Well actually, you probably spend 30 min to an hour longer than you'd have to using webtv. With a computer, you click and see, save info etc. With webtv, the interface is harder and thus takes more time. Especially when typing messages? and you just do like a lot of these older guys, and tell them, sorry no picture capability... Although, I think it'd increase sales? ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

12-21-2004, 11:06 AM	#8
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,155 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,308 Times in 1,098 Posts	I agree with Ed. Tom, once you got the hang of it, sending photos is no different than sending text... folks could see what you are offering and I think it would increase sales... __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

12-13-2004, 07:40 PM	#2
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	P.S. Anyone got stuck with buying one of those brass zig-zap copies made up a few years ago...and willing to admit it... ? I would like to see close-up photos of the workmanship on one of those...??? Might help others know to stay away from them as they pop-up at gun shows... Regards, Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

12-16-2004, 04:36 PM	#3
Navy RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dc 'burbs in Virginia Posts: 2,482 Thanks: 0 Thanked 16 Times in 10 Posts	Pete, We displayed a comparison photo of a real zig-zag and a "highly questionable" one at Chattanooga during my presentation. The metal is a correct duplicate in external dimensions; its the handle and the "not quite right" patination of the brass that are the principal visual differences. Tom A.

12-17-2004, 06:04 PM	#4
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Hi Tom, Any chance you might have a good side-by-side comparison photo of the two...? If you have them, email to me and I can post them : "pebbink@pacbell.net"... I was hoping we could post so others could see the differences and/or know what to look for in those brass repro units...that are floating around. Regards, Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

01-09-2005, 02:18 PM	#9
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Holly Smokes...!!! Same item on auction again...a repro Navy rod...and not a very good likeness...at all... Bidding over $ 260...WOW !!! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...502983242&rd=1

01-09-2005, 07:45 PM	#10
Navy RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dc 'burbs in Virginia Posts: 2,482 Thanks: 0 Thanked 16 Times in 10 Posts	Bogus and not even a good quality fake. Tom A.

01-10-2005, 11:09 AM	#11
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,155 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,308 Times in 1,098 Posts	If you look at the bidders list, you can see that the knowledgeable folks stopped bidding at $25.00... The same guy purchased a standard WW2 P.08 cleaning rod for over $217.50 at the beginning of the month... I hope he finds the Lugerforum soon so he can ask questions , before he is bankrupt! __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

01-11-2005, 03:16 PM	#12
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,990 Times in 1,205 Posts	This is one I picked up a while ago. Looks wrong and probably is. Tube is steel and the handle swivels but has the appearance of a cheap repair. Only 2 rings on each side. It's shoddy quality may mean it's former Dutch police property (who did own a number of navies and LP08s, purchased after 1918 and taken from German vessels in Belgian ports). I'm still curious about it's origins.

02-01-2005, 11:01 PM	#13
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Another steel (rusted) zig-zag "Navy" rod from Austraila : http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...508473565&rd=1

02-01-2005, 11:22 PM	#14
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,035 Thanks: 1,106 Thanked 5,242 Times in 1,719 Posts	There is some real crap coming out of Australia lately. Competition for Waffenfabrik USA. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

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