22-30 Luger aka .224 Goldstein

Hugh · 10-16-2003, 11:47 PM

<img border="0" alt="[jumper]" title="" src="graemlins/jumper.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[jumper]" title="" src="graemlins/jumper.gif" /> Finally got my long awaited dies from CH. I reformed 150 new WW 30 Luger cases to 22-30 with only two failures, which were "operator error". The cases have to go thru two forming dies and the FL resizer to arrive at the final shape. Then you have to run the neck expander before loading a bullet.

I have only loaded one bullet so far, a dummy round, so I could take a picture to post here.

From left to right: Original 30 Luger case, first die, 2nd die, final shape after FL resizer, loaded round. The bullet is a Speer 45 gr semipointed.

Cute lil bugger, ain't it?
<img border="0" alt="[thumbsup]" title="" src="graemlins/bigok.gif" />

Doubs · 10-16-2003, 11:53 PM

Hugh, that looks WICKED!! I almost feel sorry for the local armadillo population if you turn it loose on them! I'm anxious to hear a report on it's performance.

Roadkill · 10-17-2003, 06:26 AM

They remind me of those Japanese wrestlers. Muzzel velocity?

rk

Dean · 10-17-2003, 11:38 PM

This reminds me of the .233 Timbs that some folks are shooting in the 7.62x25 CZ52. The difference being that the Timbs uses a plastic sabot. I think they are getting about 1900 fps out of a 4.5 inch barrel.

So what type of Luger have you chambered for this? This would be nice cartridge in a longer barreled gun.

Can you use a standard chamber reamer for this?

Johnny C. Kitchens · 10-18-2003, 09:10 PM

That cartridge is just crying out for Hornady's 35gr. V-Max bullets!!!

Thor · 12-06-2003, 08:45 PM

Any updates Hugh?

Hugh · 12-06-2003, 10:02 PM

<img border="0" alt="[sleep]" title="" src="graemlins/sleep.gif" /> This project has been put on "hold" until after the first of the year. Too many other ones that need to be put away first, plus deer & duck season is open now!!!!

Johnny C. Kitchens · 12-14-2003, 09:07 PM

I thought it was quite a coincidence that there would be two very similar, almost exactly the same, with such a similar name and yet seperated by nearly 30 years. .22 Lowenstein & .224 Goldstein

Steve Richards · 12-15-2003, 08:03 PM

What about relining the barrel on a new 6" stainless? For a price, maybe Orimar would even make a barrel, but I think that relining would probably be less money. Just a thought.

Thor · 07-30-2004, 06:11 PM

What is going on with this project? Any updates Hugh?

Hugh · 07-30-2004, 06:46 PM

It's just laying there in my safe begging to be shot. What with job, checkering all your guys grips, making knives, and continuous wet weather, I just ain't "got aroun toit yet" <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="frown.gif" />

Johnny C. Kitchens · 07-30-2004, 09:38 PM

He's determined to drive us all into a frenzy waiting for him to fire it. Be interesting to see if it performs as well as the 5.7 FN round. Do you wanna try some 33gr bullets in it???

Hugh · 07-31-2004, 12:01 AM

I can tell that Johnny is one of those "lighter and faster is better" guys. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> Here I don't even know if 45 or 50 grainers will function the action, and he's wanting me to try 33 & 35 grainers!

Johnny C. Kitchens · 08-01-2004, 10:13 PM

You won't know till you try!!! Which will be.....

Hugh · 08-02-2004, 12:03 AM

unspellable · 08-05-2004, 08:06 AM

Somebody mentioned the use of sabots in the 7.62x25. I'd like to find some sabots that wou;d allow use of a 22 bullet in an unmodified Luger, probably 30 caliber but with the right sabot a 9 mm would work too. Or maybe 30 caliber bullets in the 9 mm.

Johnny C. Kitchens · 08-05-2004, 10:02 PM

Here is a source of sabots, that may get you started...

https://www.eabco.com/reload02.html

10-16-2003, 11:47 PM	#1
Hugh RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Southeast Texas Swamp Posts: 2,460 Thanks: 2 Thanked 165 Times in 64 Posts	22-30 Luger aka .224 Goldstein <img border="0" alt="[jumper]" title="" src="graemlins/jumper.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[jumper]" title="" src="graemlins/jumper.gif" /> Finally got my long awaited dies from CH. I reformed 150 new WW 30 Luger cases to 22-30 with only two failures, which were "operator error". The cases have to go thru two forming dies and the FL resizer to arrive at the final shape. Then you have to run the neck expander before loading a bullet. I have only loaded one bullet so far, a dummy round, so I could take a picture to post here. From left to right: Original 30 Luger case, first die, 2nd die, final shape after FL resizer, loaded round. The bullet is a Speer 45 gr semipointed. Cute lil bugger, ain't it? <img border="0" alt="[thumbsup]" title="" src="graemlins/bigok.gif" /> __________________ *TRUMP FOR PREZ IN '20!*

10-17-2003, 11:38 PM	#4
Dean User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: PA Posts: 132 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	This reminds me of the .233 Timbs that some folks are shooting in the 7.62x25 CZ52. The difference being that the Timbs uses a plastic sabot. I think they are getting about 1900 fps out of a 4.5 inch barrel. So what type of Luger have you chambered for this? This would be nice cartridge in a longer barreled gun. Can you use a standard chamber reamer for this? __________________ Carpe Diem, Parabellum

10-18-2003, 09:10 PM	#5
Johnny C. Kitchens User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Arlington, Texas Posts: 518 Thanks: 0 Thanked 20 Times in 8 Posts	That cartridge is just crying out for Hornady's 35gr. V-Max bullets!!! __________________ Johnny C. Kitchens

12-06-2003, 08:45 PM	#6
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	Any updates Hugh? __________________ Thor's Luger Clinic http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/ Ted Green (Thor Yaller Boots) 725 Western Hills Dr SE, Rio Rancho, NM 87124 915-526-8925 Email thor340@aol.com ----------------------------------- John3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

12-06-2003, 10:02 PM	#7
Hugh RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Southeast Texas Swamp Posts: 2,460 Thanks: 2 Thanked 165 Times in 64 Posts	<img border="0" alt="[sleep]" title="" src="graemlins/sleep.gif" /> This project has been put on "hold" until after the first of the year. Too many other ones that need to be put away first, plus deer & duck season is open now!!!! __________________ *TRUMP FOR PREZ IN '20!*

10-16-2003, 11:53 PM	#2
Doubs User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Byron, Georgia Posts: 1,673 Thanks: 773 Thanked 1,619 Times in 528 Posts	Hugh, that looks WICKED!! I almost feel sorry for the local armadillo population if you turn it loose on them! I'm anxious to hear a report on it's performance.

10-17-2003, 06:26 AM	#3
Roadkill User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,632 Thanks: 1 Thanked 28 Times in 17 Posts	They remind me of those Japanese wrestlers. Muzzel velocity? rk

12-14-2003, 09:07 PM	#8
Johnny C. Kitchens User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Arlington, Texas Posts: 518 Thanks: 0 Thanked 20 Times in 8 Posts	I thought it was quite a coincidence that there would be two very similar, almost exactly the same, with such a similar name and yet seperated by nearly 30 years. .22 Lowenstein & .224 Goldstein __________________ Johnny C. Kitchens

12-15-2003, 08:03 PM	#9
Steve Richards User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Beaverton, Oregon Posts: 487 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	What about relining the barrel on a new 6" stainless? For a price, maybe Orimar would even make a barrel, but I think that relining would probably be less money. Just a thought.

07-30-2004, 06:11 PM	#10
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	What is going on with this project? Any updates Hugh? __________________ Thor's Luger Clinic http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/ Ted Green (Thor Yaller Boots) 725 Western Hills Dr SE, Rio Rancho, NM 87124 915-526-8925 Email thor340@aol.com ----------------------------------- John3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

07-30-2004, 06:46 PM	#11
Hugh RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Southeast Texas Swamp Posts: 2,460 Thanks: 2 Thanked 165 Times in 64 Posts	It's just laying there in my safe begging to be shot. What with job, checkering all your guys grips, making knives, and continuous wet weather, I just ain't "got aroun toit yet" <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="frown.gif" /> __________________ *TRUMP FOR PREZ IN '20!*

07-30-2004, 09:38 PM	#12
Johnny C. Kitchens User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Arlington, Texas Posts: 518 Thanks: 0 Thanked 20 Times in 8 Posts	He's determined to drive us all into a frenzy waiting for him to fire it. Be interesting to see if it performs as well as the 5.7 FN round. Do you wanna try some 33gr bullets in it??? __________________ Johnny C. Kitchens

07-31-2004, 12:01 AM	#13
Hugh RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Southeast Texas Swamp Posts: 2,460 Thanks: 2 Thanked 165 Times in 64 Posts	I can tell that Johnny is one of those "lighter and faster is better" guys. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> Here I don't even know if 45 or 50 grainers will function the action, and he's wanting me to try 33 & 35 grainers! __________________ *TRUMP FOR PREZ IN '20!*

08-01-2004, 10:13 PM	#14
Johnny C. Kitchens User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Arlington, Texas Posts: 518 Thanks: 0 Thanked 20 Times in 8 Posts	You won't know till you try!!! Which will be..... __________________ Johnny C. Kitchens

08-02-2004, 12:03 AM	#15
Hugh RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Southeast Texas Swamp Posts: 2,460 Thanks: 2 Thanked 165 Times in 64 Posts	__________________ *TRUMP FOR PREZ IN '20!*

08-05-2004, 08:06 AM	#16
unspellable User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Iowa Posts: 768 Thanks: 0 Thanked 19 Times in 11 Posts	Somebody mentioned the use of sabots in the 7.62x25. I'd like to find some sabots that wou;d allow use of a 22 bullet in an unmodified Luger, probably 30 caliber but with the right sabot a 9 mm would work too. Or maybe 30 caliber bullets in the 9 mm.

08-05-2004, 10:02 PM	#17
Johnny C. Kitchens User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Arlington, Texas Posts: 518 Thanks: 0 Thanked 20 Times in 8 Posts	Here is a source of sabots, that may get you started... https://www.eabco.com/reload02.html __________________ Johnny C. Kitchens