Holster query

sfguy · 10-03-2002, 08:52 AM

I recently picked up a nice Luger holster but do not know anything about them and would appreciate info. On the front flap there is an SA in an oval
on the back looks like (Ernst?&Kirsten?) Under that it is marked (Taucha) and a waffenamt WaA170. The straps on the back are bradded to the body rather than sewed on, but does not look like it has had the GI modification. No date that I can find. This is my first post on the Luger forum and would appreciate any help.
Thanks
John

John Sabato · 10-03-2002, 03:20 PM

Is it possible for you to post some photos of the holster... Even with the details you have mentioned, identification would be a sketchy guess without a photo.

You can either post a digital photo from a camera, or scan the holster on a flatbed scanner.

LP08 · 10-03-2002, 08:10 PM

That maker of luger holsters appears commonly on 1939 and 1940 dated holsters. If you look closely, you should see some holes where stitching once was and now brads hold the straps. The brads would not be factory. The SA in an oval is unfamiliar to me. SA in a box with rounded corners appears on holsters used in Finland and many WW2 German luger holsters appear with the Finnish stamp on the lid. I do not know if this means use by the Finns during WW2 or if the holsters were obtained by the Finns post-WW2. The other Finn-marked luger holsters I have observed were dated around 1940.

Yours sounds like a standard military luger holster of the early WW2 period with strengthening of the belt loop attachments.

sfguy · 10-04-2002, 01:19 PM

Thanks for the info, Can you help me out with the names on the back looks like (Ernst&Kirsten) I do have pictures of the holster but do not see how to post them on the forum, maybe you can help me oput there.

Edward Tinker · 10-04-2002, 01:37 PM

Look at the front webpage at www.lugerforum.com and there is a link to upload pictures.

Also, I posted a tutorial on putting pictures up under the Site Help and Feedback area of the forum, and maybe that will help.

Does SFguy stand for San Fransisco or the army guys? [img]wink.gif[/img] (retired army, not SF tho)

sfguy · 10-04-2002, 09:38 PM

Edward Tinker writes, Does SF stand for San Francisco or the Army guys?

The latter spent 13 years in SF 1963-1976

sfguy · 10-04-2002, 09:47 PM

http://boards.rennlist.com/upload/Dcp_0242.jpg
Here is the front of the holster Marked Taucha on the back with a waffenamt WaA 170 and what looks like the makers name Ernst & Kirsten and a stamped box on the front with SA inside it.

Ron Wood · 10-04-2002, 10:31 PM

The SA mark on the flap is definitely of the type used by Finland. I think LP08 pretty well nailed the characteristics of your holster. By the way, nice moccasins, and welcome to the forum. [img]biggrin.gif[/img]

Edward Tinker · 10-05-2002, 01:26 AM

Nice looking holster SFguy [img]smile.gif[/img]

LP08 · 10-05-2002, 12:37 PM

Bender's Luger Accessories book identifies the maker as Ehrhardt & Kirsten of Taucha-Leipzig in Germany. Later, this firm used the code EkSt on its holsters. Inspector offices 101 and 170 inspected EkSt holsters depending on the time period.

sfguy · 10-07-2002, 07:43 PM

Thanks for everyone;s help on my question this is my first time on the forum, but I will be back again. I have been on the P-38 forum for about a year.

John

10-03-2002, 08:52 AM	#1
sfguy User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: KY Posts: 9 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Holster query I recently picked up a nice Luger holster but do not know anything about them and would appreciate info. On the front flap there is an SA in an oval on the back looks like (Ernst?&Kirsten?) Under that it is marked (Taucha) and a waffenamt WaA170. The straps on the back are bradded to the body rather than sewed on, but does not look like it has had the GI modification. No date that I can find. This is my first post on the Luger forum and would appreciate any help. Thanks John __________________ sfguy

10-03-2002, 03:20 PM	#2
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,150 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	Is it possible for you to post some photos of the holster... Even with the details you have mentioned, identification would be a sketchy guess without a photo. You can either post a digital photo from a camera, or scan the holster on a flatbed scanner. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

10-04-2002, 01:19 PM	#4
sfguy User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: KY Posts: 9 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks for the info, Can you help me out with the names on the back looks like (Ernst&Kirsten) I do have pictures of the holster but do not see how to post them on the forum, maybe you can help me oput there. __________________ sfguy

10-04-2002, 01:37 PM	#5
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,915 Thanks: 1,989 Thanked 4,506 Times in 2,080 Posts	Look at the front webpage at www.lugerforum.com and there is a link to upload pictures. Also, I posted a tutorial on putting pictures up under the Site Help and Feedback area of the forum, and maybe that will help. Does SFguy stand for San Fransisco or the army guys? [img]wink.gif[/img] (retired army, not SF tho) __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

10-04-2002, 09:38 PM	#6
sfguy User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: KY Posts: 9 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Edward Tinker writes, Does SF stand for San Francisco or the Army guys? The latter spent 13 years in SF 1963-1976 __________________ sfguy

10-03-2002, 08:10 PM	#3
LP08 User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Colorado Posts: 71 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	That maker of luger holsters appears commonly on 1939 and 1940 dated holsters. If you look closely, you should see some holes where stitching once was and now brads hold the straps. The brads would not be factory. The SA in an oval is unfamiliar to me. SA in a box with rounded corners appears on holsters used in Finland and many WW2 German luger holsters appear with the Finnish stamp on the lid. I do not know if this means use by the Finns during WW2 or if the holsters were obtained by the Finns post-WW2. The other Finn-marked luger holsters I have observed were dated around 1940. Yours sounds like a standard military luger holster of the early WW2 period with strengthening of the belt loop attachments.

10-04-2002, 09:47 PM	#7
sfguy User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: KY Posts: 9 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	http://boards.rennlist.com/upload/Dcp_0242.jpg Here is the front of the holster Marked Taucha on the back with a waffenamt WaA 170 and what looks like the makers name Ernst & Kirsten and a stamped box on the front with SA inside it. __________________ sfguy

10-04-2002, 10:31 PM	#8
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,988 Thanks: 1,067 Thanked 5,099 Times in 1,676 Posts	The SA mark on the flap is definitely of the type used by Finland. I think LP08 pretty well nailed the characteristics of your holster. By the way, nice moccasins, and welcome to the forum. [img]biggrin.gif[/img] __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

10-05-2002, 01:26 AM	#9
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,915 Thanks: 1,989 Thanked 4,506 Times in 2,080 Posts	Nice looking holster SFguy [img]smile.gif[/img] __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

10-05-2002, 12:37 PM	#10
LP08 User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Colorado Posts: 71 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Bender's Luger Accessories book identifies the maker as Ehrhardt & Kirsten of Taucha-Leipzig in Germany. Later, this firm used the code EkSt on its holsters. Inspector offices 101 and 170 inspected EkSt holsters depending on the time period.

10-07-2002, 07:43 PM	#11
sfguy User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: KY Posts: 9 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks for everyone;s help on my question this is my first time on the forum, but I will be back again. I have been on the P-38 forum for about a year. John __________________ sfguy