Strange Barrel Markings(help)

Ronald Welch · 02-18-2003, 06:36 PM

I think that I have a prototype Luger and on the bottom of the barrel is first the N with crown then the following CAI ST ALB VTT, Can any one help with these letters.

Thanks Much Ron777welch@yahoo.com

Ron Wood · 02-18-2003, 06:41 PM

That is the mark of a US importer - Century Arms Inc. St. Alban Vermont.

Edward Tinker · 02-18-2003, 06:43 PM

Ron is it possible to tell us any other markings on the gun?

Proofs? (see on your left under tech information if you came through www.lugerforum.com) Tell us what and where proofs and markings are located.

There are forms in this section, where you can print out and then write down pertinent information.

What serial number is on the gun? To include any letters next to or under the serial number?

What year or letters are stamped on the top of the receiver?

What initials or letters are on the toggle?

Can you provide pictures, to include side, top, etc?

What makes you think it is a prototype? Unusual markings, low serial number etc?

Ronald Welch · 02-18-2003, 11:06 PM

Ed Tinker
1. Four proofs left side 4 eagles one has a 6 under it.one has 33 under it and another has another 6 and the last one has open wings. the serial number is 1897-B simson&co surl 2 clips marked clip1 clip2 no date over chamber
the letters I ask about are not importer too deep in barrel importer marks are under the letters Iask about Lugers with capital letters B are either Prototype or presantion Example capital C is for carbine
thanks for your input please keep in touch Ron .

Lugerdoc · 02-19-2003, 04:15 AM

Ron, I would apprear that your Simson PO8 has had a new E.German (C/N marked) barrel installed. Tom H.

Ron Wood · 02-19-2003, 04:25 AM

You have a very interesting Luger. As Ed said, some pictures would help a lot. The upper case B is usually associated with prototype Lugers in the 10,000 serial number range. An upper case C is also the suffix for the second contract of the 1908 Bulgarian (1C-5000C). The CAI ST ALB VTT is definitely the Century Arms import mark.

Upper case B prototype Lugers have one or more features that differ from standard. Does your Simson have any unusual dimensions, features or configuration, other than markings, that vary from those of a standard Simson?

02-18-2003, 06:36 PM	#1
Ronald Welch User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Matthews,N.C. Posts: 39 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Strange Barrel Markings(help) I think that I have a prototype Luger and on the bottom of the barrel is first the N with crown then the following CAI ST ALB VTT, Can any one help with these letters. Thanks Much Ron777welch@yahoo.com

02-18-2003, 06:41 PM	#2
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,051 Thanks: 1,121 Thanked 5,287 Times in 1,728 Posts	That is the mark of a US importer - Century Arms Inc. St. Alban Vermont. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

02-18-2003, 06:43 PM	#3
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,974 Thanks: 2,072 Thanked 4,609 Times in 2,123 Posts	Ron is it possible to tell us any other markings on the gun? Proofs? (see on your left under tech information if you came through www.lugerforum.com) Tell us what and where proofs and markings are located. There are forms in this section, where you can print out and then write down pertinent information. What serial number is on the gun? To include any letters next to or under the serial number? What year or letters are stamped on the top of the receiver? What initials or letters are on the toggle? Can you provide pictures, to include side, top, etc? What makes you think it is a prototype? Unusual markings, low serial number etc? __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

02-19-2003, 04:15 AM	#5
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 737 Times in 484 Posts	Ron, I would apprear that your Simson PO8 has had a new E.German (C/N marked) barrel installed. Tom H. __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

02-19-2003, 04:25 AM	#6
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,051 Thanks: 1,121 Thanked 5,287 Times in 1,728 Posts	You have a very interesting Luger. As Ed said, some pictures would help a lot. The upper case B is usually associated with prototype Lugers in the 10,000 serial number range. An upper case C is also the suffix for the second contract of the 1908 Bulgarian (1C-5000C). The CAI ST ALB VTT is definitely the Century Arms import mark. Upper case B prototype Lugers have one or more features that differ from standard. Does your Simson have any unusual dimensions, features or configuration, other than markings, that vary from those of a standard Simson? __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

02-18-2003, 11:06 PM	#4
Ronald Welch User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Matthews,N.C. Posts: 39 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Ed Tinker 1. Four proofs left side 4 eagles one has a 6 under it.one has 33 under it and another has another 6 and the last one has open wings. the serial number is 1897-B simson&co surl 2 clips marked clip1 clip2 no date over chamber the letters I ask about are not importer too deep in barrel importer marks are under the letters Iask about Lugers with capital letters B are either Prototype or presantion Example capital C is for carbine thanks for your input please keep in touch Ron .