Distressed 1912

JohnF · 02-03-2003, 04:47 AM

Here's a rather sad looking 1912 that I came across. To my eyes this would benefit from restoration but I wondered what the forum's views would be on this. All the numbers match but it's had a hard life.

http://boards.rennlist.com/lfupload/1912left.JPG
http://boards.rennlist.com/lfupload/1912Right.JPG

Greg · 02-03-2003, 05:43 AM

John,

Your 1912, IMHO, is the perfect candidate for restoration. You would be preserving it for future generations to enjoy. I'm sure that Ted (Thor) would be glad to talk with you about it.

Regards,

Greg

saxman · 02-07-2003, 01:35 PM

Looks to be easily restorable - I'd do it. Thor is the man. How's the bore?

Ron Wood · 02-07-2003, 01:51 PM

John,
As the other gentlemen have indicated, it could benefit from restoration. However,(and unfortunately) since in the UK it would have to be deactivated (if it hasn't been already), I would think that restoration would not be prudent since you would not enhance the value enough to justify the cost of restoration. Perhaps I am wrong and I would appreciate it very much if you would correct me.
Best regards,
Ron

JohnF · 02-08-2003, 12:39 AM

Hi Ron,
This particular pistol is live. Our law actually permits collectors to own pistols made before 1918 - perhaps it's 1919 - providing they have a a permit, appropriate security and NO ammunition. However, since posting I have received more info on the pistol and it has a bigger problem that would rule out restoration. You may recall what you said in one of my other posts about how revealing a photo from a different angle can be? Here's a different angle on this one:

Ron Wood · 02-08-2003, 05:36 AM

John,

Thanks for the information in the law about the exception for earlier pistols. I am glad to see that at least my favorite Imperial era Lugers might escape mutilation.

The latest photo is indeed revealing - a WWII Mauser forward toggle link on a WWI Erfurt pretty much dispels the notion that it is a matching gun.

JohnF · 02-08-2003, 07:50 AM

Yes, I had previously been told by the vendor that all the numbers matched. Well, you live and learn....................

HÃ?Â¥kan Spuhr · 02-09-2003, 04:07 AM

John F

9x19 pistols are banned in Brittian regardless of when they are made.
Only lugers allowed in the hands of collectors are .30 cal.

Regards HÃ?Â¥kan

JohnF · 02-09-2003, 04:27 AM

Thank you for the information but I don't believe that to be accurate HÃ?Â¥kan. This 9mm Luger pistol falls under Section 7 of the firearms legislation, which says that Section 7 pistols fall into 2 categories:
All pistols must be pre 1919
Section 7.1 - Pistols of obsolete calibres - may be kept at home
Section 7.3 - Pistols of 'current' calibres - must be kept at designated site.
Regards,
John

Luke · 02-09-2003, 10:32 AM

Ron . . . you have such a gift for understatement. I had to chuckle.

JohnF. . . . Does 7.3 mean that you must store the weapon with the local POLICE ? ?

Luke

JohnF · 02-09-2003, 01:33 PM

Hi Luke,
I don't think that's the case. As far as I know - and I'm not certain - "designated site" relates more to security. This could be your home but gun safes and other security measures would be required. Each pistol would be added to your licence prior to purchase. I think that the police retain a right of inspection at times of their choosing to ensure that regs are complied with. The obsolete calibres in Section 7.1 - such as a Reichsrevolver - can be kept without any particular security measure as it is considered that ammunition is not readily obtainable.
I may be corrected in this - Tacfoley will be the man to do it - if I'm wrong.
By the way, I rather enjoyed Ron's sense of humour too - considerably more subtle than that of the guy who told me it was matching.
Cheers,
John

HÃ?Â¥kan Spuhr · 02-09-2003, 02:52 PM

Nope
Designatet site is a very few ranges with extreme saftey when it comes to storing the guns.
Bisley is a designated site , i know there is more but there is note many approved designated sites.

Regards HÃ?Â¥kan

02-03-2003, 04:47 AM	#1
JohnF User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: UK Posts: 167 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Distressed 1912 Here's a rather sad looking 1912 that I came across. To my eyes this would benefit from restoration but I wondered what the forum's views would be on this. All the numbers match but it's had a hard life. http://boards.rennlist.com/lfupload/1912left.JPG http://boards.rennlist.com/lfupload/1912Right.JPG

02-07-2003, 01:35 PM	#3
saxman User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 301 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Looks to be easily restorable - I'd do it. Thor is the man. How's the bore? __________________ You can lead 'em to the water, but you can't make 'em drink.

02-07-2003, 01:51 PM	#4
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,035 Thanks: 1,106 Thanked 5,241 Times in 1,719 Posts	John, As the other gentlemen have indicated, it could benefit from restoration. However,(and unfortunately) since in the UK it would have to be deactivated (if it hasn't been already), I would think that restoration would not be prudent since you would not enhance the value enough to justify the cost of restoration. Perhaps I am wrong and I would appreciate it very much if you would correct me. Best regards, Ron __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

02-08-2003, 05:36 AM	#6
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,035 Thanks: 1,106 Thanked 5,241 Times in 1,719 Posts	John, Thanks for the information in the law about the exception for earlier pistols. I am glad to see that at least my favorite Imperial era Lugers might escape mutilation. The latest photo is indeed revealing - a WWII Mauser forward toggle link on a WWI Erfurt pretty much dispels the notion that it is a matching gun. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

02-09-2003, 10:32 AM	#10
Luke User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: NC - USA Posts: 1,239 Thanks: 0 Thanked 19 Times in 7 Posts	Ron . . . you have such a gift for understatement. I had to chuckle. JohnF. . . . Does 7.3 mean that you must store the weapon with the local POLICE ? ? Luke __________________ "Peace, if possible; truth, at any cost." . . . Martin Luther

02-03-2003, 05:43 AM	#2
Greg User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Southern U.S. Posts: 181 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	John, Your 1912, IMHO, is the perfect candidate for restoration. You would be preserving it for future generations to enjoy. I'm sure that Ted (Thor) would be glad to talk with you about it. Regards, Greg

02-08-2003, 12:39 AM	#5
JohnF User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: UK Posts: 167 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Hi Ron, This particular pistol is live. Our law actually permits collectors to own pistols made before 1918 - perhaps it's 1919 - providing they have a a permit, appropriate security and NO ammunition. However, since posting I have received more info on the pistol and it has a bigger problem that would rule out restoration. You may recall what you said in one of my other posts about how revealing a photo from a different angle can be? Here's a different angle on this one:

02-08-2003, 07:50 AM	#7
JohnF User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: UK Posts: 167 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Yes, I had previously been told by the vendor that all the numbers matched. Well, you live and learn....................

02-09-2003, 04:07 AM	#8
HÃ?Â¥kan Spuhr User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Sweden Posts: 282 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	John F 9x19 pistols are banned in Brittian regardless of when they are made. Only lugers allowed in the hands of collectors are .30 cal. Regards HÃ?Â¥kan

02-09-2003, 04:27 AM	#9
JohnF User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: UK Posts: 167 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Thank you for the information but I don't believe that to be accurate HÃ?Â¥kan. This 9mm Luger pistol falls under Section 7 of the firearms legislation, which says that Section 7 pistols fall into 2 categories: All pistols must be pre 1919 Section 7.1 - Pistols of obsolete calibres - may be kept at home Section 7.3 - Pistols of 'current' calibres - must be kept at designated site. Regards, John

02-09-2003, 01:33 PM	#11
JohnF User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: UK Posts: 167 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Hi Luke, I don't think that's the case. As far as I know - and I'm not certain - "designated site" relates more to security. This could be your home but gun safes and other security measures would be required. Each pistol would be added to your licence prior to purchase. I think that the police retain a right of inspection at times of their choosing to ensure that regs are complied with. The obsolete calibres in Section 7.1 - such as a Reichsrevolver - can be kept without any particular security measure as it is considered that ammunition is not readily obtainable. I may be corrected in this - Tacfoley will be the man to do it - if I'm wrong. By the way, I rather enjoyed Ron's sense of humour too - considerably more subtle than that of the guy who told me it was matching. Cheers, John

02-09-2003, 02:52 PM	#12
HÃ?Â¥kan Spuhr User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Sweden Posts: 282 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Nope Designatet site is a very few ranges with extreme saftey when it comes to storing the guns. Bisley is a designated site , i know there is more but there is note many approved designated sites. Regards HÃ?Â¥kan