Just purchased, please help Identify

Capt Art · 10-17-2003, 07:12 PM

I seem to have heard that some were undated(?). Stamped Erfurt w/crown over on toggle, no date, matched numbers #74xx, 100-200 meter rear movable sight, front sight dove tailed, 6" barrel added, barrel stamped "ALLEMAGNE" (barrel manufacturer(?), beautifully reblued, matched serial # grips and nice extra pair. On right side: looks like script "B C P with crowns over", Eagle type stamp crown over, crown w/RC under (revisions(?), stock lug, 1 matched mag, 1 extra mag stamped "fxa w/eagle type and 37 under, P.08 also on mag, "Gesichert" is hidden when safety is up. It's a beautiful piece but is it built or semi-real(?) Paid $600. Could you please give me a general idea of the value? Also what is the white used by some on stamped symbols, and should I use it?

Roadkill · 10-17-2003, 07:49 PM

Welcome to the forum, there are so many inconsistencies that I won't even attempt to sort it all out. Erfurts were military and should have a date but it could have been removed when reworked. On the 6" barrel ("Allemagne" means "French") and dovetailed sights are additions. The adjustable rear sight is either an artillery sight on a shortened barrel or a Navy sight on the rear of the toggle, not sure by description where it is. The Erfurt on the toggle means its an Erfurt toggle. The grips are matched to the frame, does the toggle and frame numbers match and does the mag match both? Its real in that its a Luger but not in its "as issued" condition. If you like it and it shoots and looks good to you then it is worth the $600. Shoot the hell out of it. The major deal with shooting collector guns is that if a serial numbered part breaks then value decreases drastically. Post a few pictures, I'd like to see it.

rk

Capt Art · 10-17-2003, 08:09 PM

RK -- It seems I cannot figure out how to post a photo(s). Thanks so much for yours and any other replies. Would still like to post photos however.
Movable sight is at the rear of the toggle which has the same serial # as the frame. The grips are matched to the frame as is the one mag.

Edward Tinker · 10-17-2003, 08:13 PM

Art, there is a tutorial under the help board, but here are simple instructions are:

Have a teenager upload them.

Harder instructions, choose upload photos, (ensure less than 180 kilobytes), then copy the URL, and then paste it here.

Ed

Capt Art · 10-19-2003, 05:19 AM

To Ed: my teenagers are not teens any more. The moveable 100-200 sight is on the toggle, the toggle matches the frame, the grips match the frame, the mag matches the frame. I would appreciate help, perhaps when the photos are posted I can get more ideas from the learned ones. I'm just starting again into Lugers, etc., after many years, please have patience.

jamese · 10-19-2003, 05:33 AM

Capt. Art

If you live near West Palm Beach, I'll be happy to eyeball the gun and tell you what I can. I will also take some photos and up-load them for you.

Let me know my e-mail is:
jamesegg@bellsouth.net

Jim

Capt Art · 10-19-2003, 06:20 AM

Jamese--What a guy! Thanks much. Live in St. Pete Beach on the other coast. May take you up on your kind offer. However just took photos and will attempt it again. I found this site and knew I had discovered a group of informed individuals. Thanks again may get back to you.
My email is:
trawlboat@msn.com

10-17-2003, 07:12 PM	#1
Capt Art User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Florida Gulf Coast Posts: 21 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Just purchased, please help Identify I seem to have heard that some were undated(?). Stamped Erfurt w/crown over on toggle, no date, matched numbers #74xx, 100-200 meter rear movable sight, front sight dove tailed, 6" barrel added, barrel stamped "ALLEMAGNE" (barrel manufacturer(?), beautifully reblued, matched serial # grips and nice extra pair. On right side: looks like script "B C P with crowns over", Eagle type stamp crown over, crown w/RC under (revisions(?), stock lug, 1 matched mag, 1 extra mag stamped "fxa w/eagle type and 37 under, P.08 also on mag, "Gesichert" is hidden when safety is up. It's a beautiful piece but is it built or semi-real(?) Paid $600. Could you please give me a general idea of the value? Also what is the white used by some on stamped symbols, and should I use it?

10-17-2003, 08:13 PM	#4
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,962 Thanks: 2,063 Thanked 4,592 Times in 2,114 Posts	Art, there is a tutorial under the help board, but here are simple instructions are: Have a teenager upload them. Harder instructions, choose upload photos, (ensure less than 180 kilobytes), then copy the URL, and then paste it here. Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

10-19-2003, 05:33 AM	#6
jamese User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: South Florida Posts: 792 Thanks: 0 Thanked 86 Times in 36 Posts	Capt. Art If you live near West Palm Beach, I'll be happy to eyeball the gun and tell you what I can. I will also take some photos and up-load them for you. Let me know my e-mail is: jamesegg@bellsouth.net Jim __________________ The "truth" is a matter of Perception

10-17-2003, 07:49 PM	#2
Roadkill User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,634 Thanks: 1 Thanked 28 Times in 17 Posts	Welcome to the forum, there are so many inconsistencies that I won't even attempt to sort it all out. Erfurts were military and should have a date but it could have been removed when reworked. On the 6" barrel ("Allemagne" means "French") and dovetailed sights are additions. The adjustable rear sight is either an artillery sight on a shortened barrel or a Navy sight on the rear of the toggle, not sure by description where it is. The Erfurt on the toggle means its an Erfurt toggle. The grips are matched to the frame, does the toggle and frame numbers match and does the mag match both? Its real in that its a Luger but not in its "as issued" condition. If you like it and it shoots and looks good to you then it is worth the $600. Shoot the hell out of it. The major deal with shooting collector guns is that if a serial numbered part breaks then value decreases drastically. Post a few pictures, I'd like to see it. rk

10-17-2003, 08:09 PM	#3
Capt Art User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Florida Gulf Coast Posts: 21 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	RK -- It seems I cannot figure out how to post a photo(s). Thanks so much for yours and any other replies. Would still like to post photos however. Movable sight is at the rear of the toggle which has the same serial # as the frame. The grips are matched to the frame as is the one mag.

10-19-2003, 05:19 AM	#5
Capt Art User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Florida Gulf Coast Posts: 21 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	To Ed: my teenagers are not teens any more. The moveable 100-200 sight is on the toggle, the toggle matches the frame, the grips match the frame, the mag matches the frame. I would appreciate help, perhaps when the photos are posted I can get more ideas from the learned ones. I'm just starting again into Lugers, etc., after many years, please have patience.

10-19-2003, 06:20 AM	#7
Capt Art User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Florida Gulf Coast Posts: 21 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Jamese--What a guy! Thanks much. Live in St. Pete Beach on the other coast. May take you up on your kind offer. However just took photos and will attempt it again. I found this site and knew I had discovered a group of informed individuals. Thanks again may get back to you. My email is: trawlboat@msn.com