Just how many?

cirelaw · 01-27-2017, 09:18 AM

I have 20 versions of lugers and an old "Lugers At Random" Just how many different models are there! The contract lugers alone are awesome!! What is your favorite? That is a very hard decision! They are like my grandchildren. Each unique in their own way a I love them all!! Eric

DonVoigt · 01-27-2017, 09:47 AM

Depends on how one defines "versions"? That would be the place to start.

Could be only two- Old models and New models.

Could also be over a million- if you count each serial number as a "version".

When I see one I want, it is a different "version" by my own definition!

cirelaw · 01-27-2017, 10:02 AM

Good Point! Charles Kenyan forty years ago listed over 300. I wonder if he held patents for each! http://www.forgottenweapons.com/wp-c...t%20753414.pdf

RShaw · 01-27-2017, 10:26 AM

Perhaps by "variation" or "model" you can mean a "group of guns within which cannot be distingusihed from one anothr by an external visual inspection alone." E.G. Change in toggle = different model. (early versus late toggles) or "with stock lug, or without stock lug would mean a different model. Swiss Lugers with unrelieved or relieved magazine wells would be considered different models, since there is a modification- to be seen by the flat or round knob on the magazine.

Just an idea.

Fascinating no matter how you label these works of art.

mrerick · 01-27-2017, 10:49 AM

While a complete product can be patented, there are many more patents on specific design details and features of Lugers.

Many of these products were the result of refinement over many decades. The "S" shaped flat spring gave way to the coil spring.

You can get some idea of patent activity by taking a look at the German patent office website:

https://depatisnet.dpma.de/DepatisNe...ion=einsteiger

Try searching Applicant/Owner.Inventor "Georg Luger" and look at the patents starting in "GB" or "US" to read English version documents. When you click on the "PDF" symbol, you'll see the first page of the patent. Click on "Load full document" in the upper right to get the entire patent, including the graphics.

Marc

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cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Just how many? I have 20 versions of lugers and an old "Lugers At Random" Just how many different models are there! The contract lugers alone are awesome!! What is your favorite? That is a very hard decision! They are like my grandchildren. Each unique in their own way a I love them all!! Eric

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DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,678 Thanks: 1,441 Thanked 4,348 Times in 2,038 Posts	Depends on how one defines "versions"? That would be the place to start. Could be only two- Old models and New models. Could also be over a million- if you count each serial number as a "version". When I see one I want, it is a different "version" by my own definition! __________________ 03man(Don Voigt); Luger student and collector. Looking for DWM side plate: 69 ; Dreyse 1907 pistol K.S. Gendarmerie

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cirelaw Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PORT ST LUCIE, FLORIDA Posts: 12,216 Thanks: 6,209 Thanked 4,133 Times in 2,173 Posts	Good Point! Charles Kenyan forty years ago listed over 300. I wonder if he held patents for each! http://www.forgottenweapons.com/wp-c...t%20753414.pdf Attached Thumbnails

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RShaw User Join Date: Nov 2016 Location: Venlo, the Netherlands Posts: 350 Thanks: 160 Thanked 170 Times in 90 Posts	Perhaps by "variation" or "model" you can mean a "group of guns within which cannot be distingusihed from one anothr by an external visual inspection alone." E.G. Change in toggle = different model. (early versus late toggles) or "with stock lug, or without stock lug would mean a different model. Swiss Lugers with unrelieved or relieved magazine wells would be considered different models, since there is a modification- to be seen by the flat or round knob on the magazine. Just an idea. Fascinating no matter how you label these works of art. __________________ Enjoying any firearm is like staying happily married- take her out on a regular basis, treat her with respect and pay attention to proper maintenance. Looking for magazine no. 7097 Venlo, the Netherlands- RShaw

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mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,900 Thanks: 1,372 Thanked 3,094 Times in 1,503 Posts	While a complete product can be patented, there are many more patents on specific design details and features of Lugers. Many of these products were the result of refinement over many decades. The "S" shaped flat spring gave way to the coil spring. You can get some idea of patent activity by taking a look at the German patent office website: https://depatisnet.dpma.de/DepatisNe...ion=einsteiger Try searching Applicant/Owner.Inventor "Georg Luger" and look at the patents starting in "GB" or "US" to read English version documents. When you click on the "PDF" symbol, you'll see the first page of the patent. Click on "Load full document" in the upper right to get the entire patent, including the graphics. Marc __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.