Help with a M1 Carbine

Mike B · 10-19-2015, 08:51 PM

In my searching for Lugers, I came across a World War II carbine. The rear sight covers the manufacturer but it appears to be an Inland Division. The serial number is 3089124. There are very few markings. The barrel has a mark on the top that looks like a P over a W encircled with an oval circle. There may also be an "I" in the circle. Other that than there is an M with a small wa on the mag release. The rifle is in wonderful condition. No marks on the stock.
If anyone can shed any light on what have, I would be very appreciated. BTW, the pawn shop where I purchased it priced it at $400.00.

Mike

DonVoigt · 10-19-2015, 10:17 PM

Mike,
a 3,089,000 carbine was made at Inland.
the markings on the barrel are winchester.
Barrels were shipped from mfg. to mfg. to keep the lines running, but a winchester bbl on an
inland is unusual.

So it could be re-barreled, but at $400 it is about half price of a shooter US made WWII carbine.
Nice catch!

CAP Black · 10-19-2015, 10:24 PM

Mike:
I looked at the info on my Carbine. I don't know the number schemes but I have 4,2xx,xxx and it is a U.S. Postage Meter item; Don't know when it was made. Mine is nice and shoots like a champ. Your Inland Division is a General Motors. They used sub-contractors somewhat.
The real test is: how it shoots and looks nice.
In my book, it looks very much like for $ 400 - you are stealing it. Pay, grab and run. don't look back.
Jack

Curly1 · 10-20-2015, 09:59 AM

Can you post pics?

Yes that is a steal if all USGI parts.

Mike B · 10-20-2015, 11:52 AM

Gary et.al
Photos added.
Mike

alanint · 10-20-2015, 01:27 PM

I also agree that a Winchester barrel on an Inland is unusual.

The mag catch is also a Winchester part. The stock, although sanded, does have an ordnance wheel, so is genuine GI, dating from the WW2 era.

A real find for $400.

Curly1 · 10-21-2015, 11:45 AM

+1 stock is redone but still a good price, they are fun to shoot.

John Sabato · 10-21-2015, 01:58 PM

I always thought that they would be fun in 9mm Luger caliber, but that would require some extensive mods to the magazine...

I particularly like the Universal Enforcer model pistol, but I never got to shoot one.

I also thought that this model would be great in the MP-40 style folding stocks that were sold back in the 1970's...by Iver Johnson

Patty Hearst used one during a bank robbery while she was a "kidnap hostage"

mrerick · 10-21-2015, 08:04 PM

Mike,

Nice M1 Carbine.

As mentioned, if all USGI parts, you paid about half market price for it.

I particularly like the forged trigger groups.

The Inland division of GM is where they originated, and I believe that they eventually made the most. There was a second Inland plant at Saginaw Gear that made them too. My M1 came from IBM near the factory where I worked for many years in Poughkeepsie.

Rock-Ola; Underwood (my Typewriter Carbine); Winchester; Quality Hardware; Irwin-Pederson; National Postal Meter; and Standard Products were the major contractors.

The adjustable sight is a later part, with many originally shipped with "flip sights".

This website is a good one for you to study:

http://www.bavarianm1carbines.com/manufacturers.html

Marc

Curly1 · 10-22-2015, 11:20 AM

The mag release marked M is for the 30 round mags.

If the sling has a C shaped metal end on it then it is WWII era if D shaped then post WWII.

BogeyB · 10-22-2015, 07:44 PM

Several GM divisions made M1's. Inland ( I ) made the most while Saginaw Steering Gear ( SG ) at Saginaw made some. GM took over production from Irwin Peterson ( IP ), and they became Saginaw at Grand Rapids ( S'G' ).

Mike

Curly1 · 10-23-2015, 09:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BOGEYB

Several GM divisions made M1's. Inland ( I ) made the most while Saginaw Steering Gear ( SG ) at Saginaw made some. GM took over production from Irwin Peterson ( IP ), and they became Saginaw at Grand Rapids ( S'G' ).

Mike

I have an example of a Saginaw with IP marked parts.

10-19-2015, 08:51 PM	#1
Mike B Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: South Louisiana Posts: 979 Thanks: 1 Thanked 272 Times in 100 Posts	Help with a M1 Carbine In my searching for Lugers, I came across a World War II carbine. The rear sight covers the manufacturer but it appears to be an Inland Division. The serial number is 3089124. There are very few markings. The barrel has a mark on the top that looks like a P over a W encircled with an oval circle. There may also be an "I" in the circle. Other that than there is an M with a small wa on the mag release. The rifle is in wonderful condition. No marks on the stock. If anyone can shed any light on what have, I would be very appreciated. BTW, the pawn shop where I purchased it priced it at $400.00. Mike Attached Thumbnails

10-19-2015, 10:24 PM	#3
CAP Black User Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Fairmont, WV Right here in Mountaineer country and God's country Posts: 767 Thanks: 100 Thanked 174 Times in 96 Posts	Mike: I looked at the info on my Carbine. I don't know the number schemes but I have 4,2xx,xxx and it is a U.S. Postage Meter item; Don't know when it was made. Mine is nice and shoots like a champ. Your Inland Division is a General Motors. They used sub-contractors somewhat. The real test is: how it shoots and looks nice. In my book, it looks very much like for $ 400 - you are stealing it. Pay, grab and run. don't look back. Jack Last edited by CAP Black; 10-19-2015 at 10:26 PM. Reason: typo corrrection

10-20-2015, 09:59 AM	#4
Curly1 User Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Upstate New York Posts: 1,247 Thanks: 125 Thanked 717 Times in 374 Posts	Can you post pics? Yes that is a steal if all USGI parts. __________________ Laugh hard and often. Gary

10-21-2015, 11:45 AM	#7
Curly1 User Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Upstate New York Posts: 1,247 Thanks: 125 Thanked 717 Times in 374 Posts	+1 stock is redone but still a good price, they are fun to shoot. __________________ Laugh hard and often. Gary

10-21-2015, 01:58 PM	#8
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,156 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,308 Times in 1,098 Posts	I always thought that they would be fun in 9mm Luger caliber, but that would require some extensive mods to the magazine... I particularly like the Universal Enforcer model pistol, but I never got to shoot one. I also thought that this model would be great in the MP-40 style folding stocks that were sold back in the 1970's...by Iver Johnson Patty Hearst used one during a bank robbery while she was a "kidnap hostage" __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

10-19-2015, 10:17 PM	#2
DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,681 Thanks: 1,443 Thanked 4,355 Times in 2,041 Posts	Mike, a 3,089,000 carbine was made at Inland. the markings on the barrel are winchester. Barrels were shipped from mfg. to mfg. to keep the lines running, but a winchester bbl on an inland is unusual. So it could be re-barreled, but at $400 it is about half price of a shooter US made WWII carbine. Nice catch!

10-20-2015, 11:52 AM	#5
Mike B Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: South Louisiana Posts: 979 Thanks: 1 Thanked 272 Times in 100 Posts	Gary et.al Photos added. Mike

10-20-2015, 01:27 PM	#6
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,917 Times in 1,193 Posts	I also agree that a Winchester barrel on an Inland is unusual. The mag catch is also a Winchester part. The stock, although sanded, does have an ordnance wheel, so is genuine GI, dating from the WW2 era. A real find for $400.

10-21-2015, 08:04 PM	#9
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,920 Thanks: 1,377 Thanked 3,135 Times in 1,518 Posts	Mike, Nice M1 Carbine. As mentioned, if all USGI parts, you paid about half market price for it. I particularly like the forged trigger groups. The Inland division of GM is where they originated, and I believe that they eventually made the most. There was a second Inland plant at Saginaw Gear that made them too. My M1 came from IBM near the factory where I worked for many years in Poughkeepsie. Rock-Ola; Underwood (my Typewriter Carbine); Winchester; Quality Hardware; Irwin-Pederson; National Postal Meter; and Standard Products were the major contractors. The adjustable sight is a later part, with many originally shipped with "flip sights". This website is a good one for you to study: http://www.bavarianm1carbines.com/manufacturers.html Marc __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

10-22-2015, 11:20 AM	#10
Curly1 User Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Upstate New York Posts: 1,247 Thanks: 125 Thanked 717 Times in 374 Posts	The mag release marked M is for the 30 round mags. If the sling has a C shaped metal end on it then it is WWII era if D shaped then post WWII. __________________ Laugh hard and often. Gary

10-22-2015, 07:44 PM	#11
BogeyB Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Mc Donough, GA. Posts: 422 Thanks: 0 Thanked 227 Times in 99 Posts	Several GM divisions made M1's. Inland ( I ) made the most while Saginaw Steering Gear ( SG ) at Saginaw made some. GM took over production from Irwin Peterson ( IP ), and they became Saginaw at Grand Rapids ( S'G' ). Mike __________________ MAGA Always!! NRA Benifactor, GCA