Help !

buster123 · 10-11-2015, 09:16 AM

Hi guys, I have bought this Luger and am confused with this gun ! It has 1920 stamped on the top, but I have been to that according to the serial no it was made just at the end of ww1, it has lazy n under crown proofs and the serial is 72828 . Any help in this would be great.

Vlim · 10-11-2015, 09:18 AM

1920 is a government property marking, not a production date. Although some pistols were actually produced in 1920 and 1921 and thus got a legit 1920 production date.

buster123 · 10-11-2015, 09:48 AM

Cheers mate, the property stamp ( or what I thought was a date) looks as if it was hand stamped as it's kinda of centre. It's DWM manufactured & all matching numbers apart from mag , that's 3rd reich issue.

Edward Tinker · 10-11-2015, 09:59 AM

welcome to the forum

you have not provided enough information to help a lot. We can say it is a five digit commercial model that possibly was in army issue so receiving the 1920 gov't marking. as that marking is a govt marking, not a date

many more pictures and words would help.

See 'how to ID a luger' sticky here on the new collectors board.

buster123 · 10-11-2015, 07:51 PM

I think I have found the information I needed to date this gun! Thanks to this fine forum. Production ended in 1918 around 74722 with lazy m proofs on commercial guns, my guns serial is 72828 and has lazy proofs , so only 1894 ish from the end of production.!! Or am I missing something?

George Anderson · 10-12-2015, 03:09 AM

1914 Commercial.

Lugerdoc · 10-12-2015, 10:42 AM

i agree, that you have a M1914 commerical made before 1918, that may have been appropriated by the military during WW1 and marked as military property (1920 on the receiver) after the war. TH

mrerick · 10-12-2015, 11:03 AM

Hi Paul, and welcome to the forum.

You are correct about being near the end of that commercial production run.

"M1914" is a variation of Lugers which George also mentioned as "1914 Commercial".

As Tom and Ed mentioned, it saw a lot of history before making it into your family's hands. This gun is one instance where the additional mark (the 1920) adds to it's history...

Marc

Don M · 10-12-2015, 12:11 PM

The 1920 property stamp was also used by the police. However, sn suggests it may be Commercial Army. What stamps are on the right side of the receiver

buster123 · 10-12-2015, 01:11 PM

Hi, thanks for the warm welcome guys, there's. No marks on the right side of the reciever. But the left side has lazy m/ crown and hidden serial numbers on take down and side plate, also has crown/ m under barrel with serial number

10-11-2015, 09:16 AM	#1
buster123 User Join Date: Oct 2015 Posts: 10 Thanks: 5 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Help ! Hi guys, I have bought this Luger and am confused with this gun ! It has 1920 stamped on the top, but I have been to that according to the serial no it was made just at the end of ww1, it has lazy n under crown proofs and the serial is 72828 . Any help in this would be great. Attached Thumbnails Last edited by buster123; 10-12-2015 at 05:24 AM.

10-11-2015, 09:48 AM	#3
buster123 User Join Date: Oct 2015 Posts: 10 Thanks: 5 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Cheers mate, the property stamp ( or what I thought was a date) looks as if it was hand stamped as it's kinda of centre. It's DWM manufactured & all matching numbers apart from mag , that's 3rd reich issue. Attached Thumbnails Last edited by buster123; 10-13-2015 at 04:12 AM.

10-11-2015, 09:59 AM	#4
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,915 Thanks: 1,989 Thanked 4,506 Times in 2,080 Posts	welcome to the forum you have not provided enough information to help a lot. We can say it is a five digit commercial model that possibly was in army issue so receiving the 1920 gov't marking. as that marking is a govt marking, not a date many more pictures and words would help. See 'how to ID a luger' sticky here on the new collectors board. __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

10-12-2015, 10:42 AM	#7
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	i agree, that you have a M1914 commerical made before 1918, that may have been appropriated by the military during WW1 and marked as military property (1920 on the receiver) after the war. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

10-12-2015, 11:03 AM	#8
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,900 Thanks: 1,372 Thanked 3,094 Times in 1,503 Posts	Hi Paul, and welcome to the forum. You are correct about being near the end of that commercial production run. "M1914" is a variation of Lugers which George also mentioned as "1914 Commercial". As Tom and Ed mentioned, it saw a lot of history before making it into your family's hands. This gun is one instance where the additional mark (the 1920) adds to it's history... Marc __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.

10-11-2015, 09:18 AM	#2
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,043 Thanks: 1,032 Thanked 3,930 Times in 1,194 Posts	1920 is a government property marking, not a production date. Although some pistols were actually produced in 1920 and 1921 and thus got a legit 1920 production date.

10-11-2015, 07:51 PM	#5
buster123 User Join Date: Oct 2015 Posts: 10 Thanks: 5 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	I think I have found the information I needed to date this gun! Thanks to this fine forum. Production ended in 1918 around 74722 with lazy m proofs on commercial guns, my guns serial is 72828 and has lazy proofs , so only 1894 ish from the end of production.!! Or am I missing something?

10-12-2015, 03:09 AM	#6
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,527 Times in 786 Posts	1914 Commercial.

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Don M Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 1,429 Thanks: 67 Thanked 292 Times in 191 Posts	The 1920 property stamp was also used by the police. However, sn suggests it may be Commercial Army. What stamps are on the right side of the receiver __________________ Regards, Don donmaus1@aol.com Author of History Writ in Steel: German Police Markings 1900-1936 http://www.historywritinsteel.com

10-12-2015, 01:11 PM	#10
buster123 User Join Date: Oct 2015 Posts: 10 Thanks: 5 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Hi, thanks for the warm welcome guys, there's. No marks on the right side of the reciever. But the left side has lazy m/ crown and hidden serial numbers on take down and side plate, also has crown/ m under barrel with serial number Attached Thumbnails Last edited by buster123; 10-12-2015 at 05:50 PM.