What is this luger?

siegersallee · 06-17-2015, 07:36 AM

Hi All,

Saw this on GunBroker...I am not considering a purchase; but, I was curious as to what it is and if it has been re-blued.

Luger.

alvin · 06-17-2015, 08:24 AM

Don't know who did it. But this is a typical reblued gun. Only thing seller can argue being "it is done by arsenal", could be, it's old refinish.

siegersallee · 06-17-2015, 08:29 AM

What about the markings...Turkish?

alvin · 06-17-2015, 08:51 AM

Not like Turkish. Picture 19 shows a flaming bomb with S (?) inside. This should be a rework stamp, but I have never seen it before.

George Anderson · 06-17-2015, 09:02 AM

Belgian proofs.

DavidJayUden · 06-17-2015, 09:12 AM

Interesting gun. No date on chamber, reblued but not buffed out. Replacement extractor. Could those marks be pressure test proofs, like we always see on UK guns? It would be niece to see all the script with the markings on the barrel. Also, I'm curious if there are any remnants of a suffix on the frame. It would be an interesting gun to get our hands on...
dju

John Sabato · 06-17-2015, 09:33 AM

The gun has been both buffed and reblued. There are too many rounded edges which should be sharp.

The small parts have also been blued, and should be strawed.

The numbering on the takedown lever is not the same font as the rest of the gun, most likely a replacement.

The chamber area has been scrubbed before the "flaming bomb" stamp was applied.

I see no evidence of a suffix letter on the frame in the photos.

The muzzle is blued and not in the white

There appears to be a buffed down import mark on the bottom of the barrel above the third "flaming bomb" stamp.

The magazine markings are 'interesting' but I don't think that the mag has anything to do with the gun except feed cartridges.

This gun is just a shooter grade example IMHO. $600-$800. Certainly not what the seller is asking.

Just my $0.02

DonVoigt · 06-17-2015, 10:57 AM

The "flaming" bomb is the Belgian proof mark, it does (usuall) have a letter inside.
It appears to have been applied to the ressue bearing parts, i.e. barrel, chamber, frame, etc.

Lugerdoc · 06-17-2015, 11:08 AM

Standard Belgium proof house marking for non-Belgium made guns that they proofed. TH

alanint · 06-17-2015, 01:31 PM

The proof has an "L" inside, I believe this is Belgium's Liege proof house.

06-17-2015, 07:36 AM	#1
siegersallee User Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 293 Thanks: 112 Thanked 58 Times in 35 Posts	What is this luger? Hi All, Saw this on GunBroker...I am not considering a purchase; but, I was curious as to what it is and if it has been re-blued. Luger. __________________ "Für Gott, Kaiser, und Vaterland" -seeking: Erfrut Mag 1229 (no script)

06-17-2015, 08:29 AM	#3
siegersallee User Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 293 Thanks: 112 Thanked 58 Times in 35 Posts	What about the markings...Turkish? __________________ "Für Gott, Kaiser, und Vaterland" -seeking: Erfrut Mag 1229 (no script)

06-17-2015, 09:33 AM	#7
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,156 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,309 Times in 1,098 Posts	The gun has been both buffed and reblued. There are too many rounded edges which should be sharp. The small parts have also been blued, and should be strawed. The numbering on the takedown lever is not the same font as the rest of the gun, most likely a replacement. The chamber area has been scrubbed before the "flaming bomb" stamp was applied. I see no evidence of a suffix letter on the frame in the photos. The muzzle is blued and not in the white There appears to be a buffed down import mark on the bottom of the barrel above the third "flaming bomb" stamp. The magazine markings are 'interesting' but I don't think that the mag has anything to do with the gun except feed cartridges. This gun is just a shooter grade example IMHO. $600-$800. Certainly not what the seller is asking. Just my $0.02 __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

06-17-2015, 11:08 AM	#9
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 737 Times in 484 Posts	Standard Belgium proof house marking for non-Belgium made guns that they proofed. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

06-17-2015, 08:24 AM	#2
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	Don't know who did it. But this is a typical reblued gun. Only thing seller can argue being "it is done by arsenal", could be, it's old refinish.

06-17-2015, 08:51 AM	#4
alvin User Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: US Posts: 3,843 Thanks: 132 Thanked 729 Times in 438 Posts	Not like Turkish. Picture 19 shows a flaming bomb with S (?) inside. This should be a rework stamp, but I have never seen it before.

06-17-2015, 09:02 AM	#5
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,531 Times in 788 Posts	Belgian proofs.

06-17-2015, 09:12 AM	#6
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	Interesting gun. No date on chamber, reblued but not buffed out. Replacement extractor. Could those marks be pressure test proofs, like we always see on UK guns? It would be niece to see all the script with the markings on the barrel. Also, I'm curious if there are any remnants of a suffix on the frame. It would be an interesting gun to get our hands on... dju

06-17-2015, 10:57 AM	#8
DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,681 Thanks: 1,443 Thanked 4,356 Times in 2,041 Posts	The "flaming" bomb is the Belgian proof mark, it does (usuall) have a letter inside. It appears to have been applied to the ressue bearing parts, i.e. barrel, chamber, frame, etc.

06-17-2015, 01:31 PM	#10
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,917 Times in 1,193 Posts	The proof has an "L" inside, I believe this is Belgium's Liege proof house.