Holster markings?

PRD1 · 02-16-2014, 04:28 PM

Picked-up a very nice 1915-dated holster at a local auction (with a very nice WW2 P08 holster, too).
The older one is marked:
'PATENT - CARTONAGEN - FABRIK
-------M BERLIN 0. 27.

S.A. 7. F. 61. 1915

X '

the above under the flap on the front of the holster.
And on the back of the holster, the number '106'.

I understand the manufacturer's name as the Patent (cardboard) Packaging Manufactory, can't make out the letters ahead of the 'M', and wonder about the unit identity, etc.
Any input appreciated.

PRD1 - mhb - Mike

George Anderson · 02-16-2014, 05:04 PM

Photos would help. Is there anything before or after the "X"? The only thing close that I can come up with is Saxon Field Artillery Regiment 7. Is it possible that the "F" you indicate could be an R?

NoncomRetired · 02-16-2014, 08:40 PM

How about:

Feld-Signal Abteilung 7th Fernsprecher weapon 61 'X' could be part of a corps designator.

PRD1 · 02-16-2014, 09:28 PM

The 'F' is definitely an F.
I'll see if I can come-up with useable photos.

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PRD1 · 02-17-2014, 06:02 PM

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George Anderson · 02-17-2014, 06:12 PM

It's a Reichswehr marking, Sanitaets-Farhrpersonal 7, Waffe 61.

PRD1 · 02-17-2014, 11:45 PM

So, the unit marking is actually post-WW1.
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alanint · 02-18-2014, 05:00 AM

Converted Reichswehr revolver holster?

PRD1 · 02-18-2014, 05:23 PM

with German military holsters to have a valid opinion, but from inspection, it appears to me to be an original Luger holster.

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wlyon · 02-18-2014, 05:29 PM

Looks like someone replaced the majority of the holster toe. Could we see a photo of the back? Bill

alanint · 02-19-2014, 05:21 AM

Not only that, Bill, but it has a patch on the top of the holster lid, and the lid's edge looks like it was cut down by hand. Clearly a modified holster of some kind.

PRD1 · 02-19-2014, 01:06 PM

Per request. I don't know how much these will help answer the questions posed, but I can tell you the following things from close inspection:
1. The toe of the holster has not been replaced - rather, a re-inforcement has been sewn into the inside of the toe, rather like the stiffening piece at the top-back under the belt loops, and this accounts for the stitched seam across the front of the holster.
2. There is a patch sewn on the top of the flap.
3. The flap shows no evidence of having been 'trimmed'.

PRD1 - mhb - Mike

02-16-2014, 04:28 PM	#1
PRD1 User Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: S.E. AZ Posts: 69 Thanks: 18 Thanked 32 Times in 8 Posts	Holster markings? Picked-up a very nice 1915-dated holster at a local auction (with a very nice WW2 P08 holster, too). The older one is marked: 'PATENT - CARTONAGEN - FABRIK -------M BERLIN 0. 27. S.A. 7. F. 61. 1915 X ' the above under the flap on the front of the holster. And on the back of the holster, the number '106'. I understand the manufacturer's name as the Patent (cardboard) Packaging Manufactory, can't make out the letters ahead of the 'M', and wonder about the unit identity, etc. Any input appreciated. PRD1 - mhb - Mike

02-16-2014, 09:28 PM	#4
PRD1 User Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: S.E. AZ Posts: 69 Thanks: 18 Thanked 32 Times in 8 Posts	Thanks for the responses... The 'F' is definitely an F. I'll see if I can come-up with useable photos. PRD1 - mhb - Mike

02-17-2014, 06:02 PM	#5
PRD1 User Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: S.E. AZ Posts: 69 Thanks: 18 Thanked 32 Times in 8 Posts	Photos... PRD1 - mhb - Mike Attached Thumbnails

02-17-2014, 11:45 PM	#7
PRD1 User Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: S.E. AZ Posts: 69 Thanks: 18 Thanked 32 Times in 8 Posts	Thank you! So, the unit marking is actually post-WW1. PRD1 - mhb - Mike

02-18-2014, 05:23 PM	#9
PRD1 User Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: S.E. AZ Posts: 69 Thanks: 18 Thanked 32 Times in 8 Posts	I'm not familiar enough... with German military holsters to have a valid opinion, but from inspection, it appears to me to be an original Luger holster. PRD1 - mhb - Mike

02-16-2014, 05:04 PM	#2
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,531 Times in 788 Posts	Photos would help. Is there anything before or after the "X"? The only thing close that I can come up with is Saxon Field Artillery Regiment 7. Is it possible that the "F" you indicate could be an R?

02-16-2014, 08:40 PM	#3
NoncomRetired Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 719 Thanks: 144 Thanked 306 Times in 146 Posts	How about: Feld-Signal Abteilung 7th Fernsprecher weapon 61 'X' could be part of a corps designator.

02-17-2014, 06:12 PM	#6
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,531 Times in 788 Posts	It's a Reichswehr marking, Sanitaets-Farhrpersonal 7, Waffe 61.

02-18-2014, 05:00 AM	#8
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,917 Times in 1,193 Posts	Converted Reichswehr revolver holster?

02-18-2014, 05:29 PM	#10
wlyon Lifer 2X Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewhere in Montana Posts: 2,652 Thanks: 3,209 Thanked 2,610 Times in 969 Posts	Looks like someone replaced the majority of the holster toe. Could we see a photo of the back? Bill __________________ Bill Lyon

02-19-2014, 05:21 AM	#11
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,917 Times in 1,193 Posts	Not only that, Bill, but it has a patch on the top of the holster lid, and the lid's edge looks like it was cut down by hand. Clearly a modified holster of some kind.

02-19-2014, 01:06 PM	#12
PRD1 User Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: S.E. AZ Posts: 69 Thanks: 18 Thanked 32 Times in 8 Posts	More photos... Per request. I don't know how much these will help answer the questions posed, but I can tell you the following things from close inspection: 1. The toe of the holster has not been replaced - rather, a re-inforcement has been sewn into the inside of the toe, rather like the stiffening piece at the top-back under the belt loops, and this accounts for the stitched seam across the front of the holster. 2. There is a patch sewn on the top of the flap. 3. The flap shows no evidence of having been 'trimmed'. PRD1 - mhb - Mike Attached Thumbnails