Fraud Alert To All Members

John Sabato · 08-13-2008, 09:27 AM

Fraud -Alert

If you receive an email from either someone you don't know,

...or an email or private message through the services provided by this website, offering either Luger pistols or accessories for sale, there is a very good chance that the offer is a fraud.

A current method being used by professional scammers trying to get your money is to legitmately join forums and then contact other members through the private message system or through the email link in your profile.

They will likely offer a Luger or some other well known item at a very reasonable cost, and ask you to respond. If they have no postings (which you can check with the search feature) they are likely a fraud. report the user name to either Ed Tinker or myself.

BE VERY CAREFUL OUT THERE> There is reason to believe one of these scams is currently "working" the Lugerforum membership in this manner. Don't let your sense of getting a "great" deal get the best of you.

Ask for photos of the items, a legitimate email address from an ISP that is not one of the free ones like gmail, hotmail, yahoo, etc. A physical mailing address (No P.O. Boxes) that you can verify. Ask for references. AND NEVER PAY VIA Western Union or one of the other instant services ... once that money is gone... it will be gone forever. Remember, if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is.

If you have any questions, ask them here.

Edward Tinker · 08-13-2008, 09:30 AM

Once you report the user name to us, we can ban them and they no longer have the ability to send emails to folks.

There is no way they can "harvest" emails form this site or Jan Still's site (unless your user name is your email; not a good practice), and they send you a email via the site, and ONLY if you answer back to do they see your email.

Ed

John Sabato · 08-13-2008, 09:35 AM

Ed, I know that you can't post after being banned, but I am not sure about the PM and blind email service... we will have to test to see if that 'door' is still open to banned members. If you already have tested, please let me know.

the gunman · 08-13-2008, 12:46 PM

"Thank You John"

Steinar · 08-13-2008, 01:14 PM

dito on the above!

Edward Tinker · 08-13-2008, 01:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by John Sabato
Ed, I know that you can't post after being banned, but I am not sure about the PM and blind email service... we will have to test to see if that 'door' is still open to banned members. If you already have tested, please let me know.

If you are logged out, you get this message; and if banned, I 'll bet you a lunch, the same message (see #4):

Neil Young · 08-13-2008, 05:59 PM

My user name is an old unused e:mail address. Please tell me how can I change it.

Edward Tinker · 08-13-2008, 06:02 PM

By writing the owner of the forum, John Dunkle and asking him to change it to a new name.

or since you have 3 posts, re-register using your new email and a NEW user name.

Ed

RylanBrissette · 08-13-2008, 10:10 PM

Pawel Nowak is a SCAMMER. Stay away from that slimy bastard. He offers Lugers & German Militaria.

Edward Tinker · 08-13-2008, 10:15 PM

yes, we know

LU1900 · 08-14-2008, 09:10 AM

..........

Steinar · 08-14-2008, 09:25 AM

Scam goes down something like this;

Hello ...: Thank you for your answer. I have got these items as a payment for my archival research work. But I also detect some places with my metal detector and I have found some items personaly. I am an archivist and I live in Poland. I am 33 and I was educated in the University of Lodz (International Public Law Faculty). But my main interest is archival research. Diving and sailig also. I spend a lof of time in the archives and museums. Where I have a lot of friends. For example I know Cmdr. Ltd. David Watters who was a Deputy Director in National Maritime Museum in London. I have also friends in Ministry of Defence in UK. I am sending to you some of my credentials and references I have got in English archives. I hope it will help to trust me a little. If you will need I can also send to you my EU Passport and EU Driving Licence. The items are located in Poland (EU). So, if you have an interest in the holster/holsters - there shall be no problem for you. I also have two other holsters. Look at the photos. I can sell them for 140US$ each. Frankly, I am looking for someone I could cooperate in the future as I can get more genuine items from my close friends. I am waiting for your answer. All the best. PawelShipwrecks.Research271275@yahoo.com

Attached is some BS I didn't bother to read;
http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload..._defence_1.jpg
http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload..._defence_2.jpg
http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload..._defence_3.jpg
http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload..._defence_4.jpg
http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload...e_museum_1.jpg
http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload...e_museum_2.jpg
http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload/richard_larn.jpg
http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload/whitby_museum.jpg

Steinar · 08-14-2008, 09:27 AM

I especially liked this sentence: "I have also friends in Ministry of Defence in UK"

A quick Google search shows that he has been doing it for quite some time http://www.thirdreichmedals.com/pictures/pawel.html

I'm ending my email correspondence with him now, with some words I prefer not to publish

John Sabato · 08-15-2008, 09:31 AM

Here is one last URL that substantiates his status as a con man.

http://www.treasurenet.com/f/index.p...9457.msg126118

To help eliminate this fraud, I have sent all of the gathered information on Pawel Tomasz Nowak in a report to INTERPOL via their website.

davidkachel · 08-15-2008, 07:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Morgan Kane
Scam goes down something like this;

Hello ...: Thank you for your answer. I have got these items as a payment for my archival research work. But I also detect some places with my metal detector and I have found some items personaly. I am an archivist and I live in Poland. I am 33 and I was educated in the University of Lodz (International Public Law Faculty). But my main interest is archival research. Diving and sailig also. I spend a lof of time in the archives and museums. Where I have a lot of friends. For example I know Cmdr. Ltd. David Watters who was a Deputy Director in National Maritime Museum in London. I have also friends in Ministry of Defence in UK. I am sending to you some of my credentials and references I have got in English archives. I hope it will help to trust me a little. If you will need I can also send to you my EU Passport and EU Driving Licence. The items are located in Poland (EU). So, if you have an interest in the holster/holsters - there shall be no problem for you. I also have two other holsters. Look at the photos. I can sell them for 140US$ each. Frankly, I am looking for someone I could cooperate in the future as I can get more genuine items from my close friends. I am waiting for your answer. All the best.

This sounds more like he's trying to get a date rather than sell something.

To me this screams 'scam artist'. I don't know, maybe I have an ear/eye for this kind of BS. I can't understand how anyone can fall for this kind of thing. To me it is really quite transparent, no better than the stupid nonsense that comes out of Nigeria. And what the hell is "archival research"? That doesn't even mean anything!

I think crimes of fraud should carry a "stupid enhancement". If you insult our intelligence with the complete stupidity of your attempt, you do an extra 20 years!

tenbears · 08-15-2008, 10:31 PM

I received the same email message today from Novwak.
I have a Luger 1916 for sale as well as some Luger parts and Luger holsters. Please send me an email if you have an interest.

John Sabato · 08-15-2008, 10:39 PM

I recommend that anyone receiving a private message or email from Mr. Pawel Tomasz Nowak, NOT respond. If he doesn't get any responses he will stop trying HERE.

Tenbears, please advise on what time you received your email? Thanks.

Edward Tinker · 08-15-2008, 10:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by tenbears
I received the same email message today from Novwak.
I have a Luger 1916 for sale as well as some Luger parts and Luger holsters. Please send me an email if you have an interest.

It would be most helpful to know the "user name" and we can then ban them.

davidkachel · 08-15-2008, 11:31 PM

Ed,

Wouldn't the guy just rejoin right away with another user name?

Edward Tinker · 08-15-2008, 11:33 PM

yes, and then we ban him, until they get tired of being banned. meanwhile once banned, they can't use that email on this forum.

08-13-2008, 09:27 AM	#1
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,155 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,308 Times in 1,098 Posts	Fraud Alert To All Members Fraud -Alert If you receive an email from either someone you don't know, ...or an email or private message through the services provided by this website, offering either Luger pistols or accessories for sale, there is a very good chance that the offer is a fraud. A current method being used by professional scammers trying to get your money is to legitmately join forums and then contact other members through the private message system or through the email link in your profile. They will likely offer a Luger or some other well known item at a very reasonable cost, and ask you to respond. If they have no postings (which you can check with the search feature) they are likely a fraud. report the user name to either Ed Tinker or myself. BE VERY CAREFUL OUT THERE> There is reason to believe one of these scams is currently "working" the Lugerforum membership in this manner. Don't let your sense of getting a "great" deal get the best of you. Ask for photos of the items, a legitimate email address from an ISP that is not one of the free ones like gmail, hotmail, yahoo, etc. A physical mailing address (No P.O. Boxes) that you can verify. Ask for references. AND NEVER PAY VIA Western Union or one of the other instant services ... once that money is gone... it will be gone forever. Remember, if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is. If you have any questions, ask them here. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

08-13-2008, 09:35 AM	#3
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,155 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,308 Times in 1,098 Posts	Ed, I know that you can't post after being banned, but I am not sure about the PM and blind email service... we will have to test to see if that 'door' is still open to banned members. If you already have tested, please let me know. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

08-13-2008, 01:14 PM	#5
Steinar User Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 1,538 Thanks: 18 Thanked 36 Times in 21 Posts	dito on the above! __________________ Previously known as Morgan Kane

08-13-2008, 05:59 PM	#7
Neil Young Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Scottsboro, Alabama Posts: 547 Thanks: 566 Thanked 443 Times in 168 Posts	My user name is an old unused e:mail address. Please tell me how can I change it. __________________ Neil The hurrier I go the behinder I get. Sometimes it takes me all day to get nothing done.

08-13-2008, 06:02 PM	#8
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,960 Thanks: 2,062 Thanked 4,591 Times in 2,114 Posts	By writing the owner of the forum, John Dunkle and asking him to change it to a new name. or since you have 3 posts, re-register using your new email and a NEW user name. Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

08-13-2008, 09:30 AM	#2
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,960 Thanks: 2,062 Thanked 4,591 Times in 2,114 Posts	Once you report the user name to us, we can ban them and they no longer have the ability to send emails to folks. There is no way they can "harvest" emails form this site or Jan Still's site (unless your user name is your email; not a good practice), and they send you a email via the site, and ONLY if you answer back to do they see your email. Ed

08-13-2008, 12:46 PM	#4
the gunman User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Leland NC 28451 Posts: 1,017 Thanks: 1 Thanked 13 Times in 12 Posts	"Thank You John"

08-13-2008, 10:10 PM	#9
RylanBrissette User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: British Columbia, Canada Posts: 189 Thanks: 4 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	SCAMMER ALERT! Pawel Nowak is a SCAMMER. Stay away from that slimy bastard. He offers Lugers & German Militaria.

08-13-2008, 10:15 PM	#10
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,960 Thanks: 2,062 Thanked 4,591 Times in 2,114 Posts	yes, we know

08-14-2008, 09:10 AM	#11
LU1900 User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: FRANCE Posts: 911 Thanks: 46 Thanked 471 Times in 198 Posts	.......... __________________ Best regards from France...Patrice https://www.fichier-pdf.fr/2016/03/1...nd-snail-drum/

08-14-2008, 09:25 AM	#12
Steinar User Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 1,538 Thanks: 18 Thanked 36 Times in 21 Posts	Scam goes down something like this; Hello ...: Thank you for your answer. I have got these items as a payment for my archival research work. But I also detect some places with my metal detector and I have found some items personaly. I am an archivist and I live in Poland. I am 33 and I was educated in the University of Lodz (International Public Law Faculty). But my main interest is archival research. Diving and sailig also. I spend a lof of time in the archives and museums. Where I have a lot of friends. For example I know Cmdr. Ltd. David Watters who was a Deputy Director in National Maritime Museum in London. I have also friends in Ministry of Defence in UK. I am sending to you some of my credentials and references I have got in English archives. I hope it will help to trust me a little. If you will need I can also send to you my EU Passport and EU Driving Licence. The items are located in Poland (EU). So, if you have an interest in the holster/holsters - there shall be no problem for you. I also have two other holsters. Look at the photos. I can sell them for 140US$ each. Frankly, I am looking for someone I could cooperate in the future as I can get more genuine items from my close friends. I am waiting for your answer. All the best. PawelShipwrecks.Research271275@yahoo.com Attached is some BS I didn't bother to read; http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload..._defence_1.jpg http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload..._defence_2.jpg http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload..._defence_3.jpg http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload..._defence_4.jpg http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload...e_museum_1.jpg http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload...e_museum_2.jpg http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload/richard_larn.jpg http://forum.lugerforum.com/lfupload/whitby_museum.jpg __________________ Previously known as Morgan Kane

08-14-2008, 09:27 AM	#13
Steinar User Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 1,538 Thanks: 18 Thanked 36 Times in 21 Posts	I especially liked this sentence: "I have also friends in Ministry of Defence in UK" A quick Google search shows that he has been doing it for quite some time http://www.thirdreichmedals.com/pictures/pawel.html I'm ending my email correspondence with him now, with some words I prefer not to publish __________________ Previously known as Morgan Kane

08-15-2008, 09:31 AM	#14
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,155 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,308 Times in 1,098 Posts	Here is one last URL that substantiates his status as a con man. http://www.treasurenet.com/f/index.p...9457.msg126118 To help eliminate this fraud, I have sent all of the gathered information on Pawel Tomasz Nowak in a report to INTERPOL via their website. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

08-15-2008, 10:31 PM	#16
tenbears User Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 370 Thanks: 3 Thanked 26 Times in 15 Posts	I received the same email message today from Novwak. I have a Luger 1916 for sale as well as some Luger parts and Luger holsters. Please send me an email if you have an interest.

08-15-2008, 10:39 PM	#17
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,155 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,308 Times in 1,098 Posts	I recommend that anyone receiving a private message or email from Mr. Pawel Tomasz Nowak, NOT respond. If he doesn't get any responses he will stop trying HERE. Tenbears, please advise on what time you received your email? Thanks. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

08-15-2008, 11:31 PM	#19
davidkachel User Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 784 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Ed, Wouldn't the guy just rejoin right away with another user name? __________________ A heroin habit would be cheaper.

08-15-2008, 11:33 PM	#20
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,960 Thanks: 2,062 Thanked 4,591 Times in 2,114 Posts	yes, and then we ban him, until they get tired of being banned. meanwhile once banned, they can't use that email on this forum. __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV