Can you tell what model luger this is by 1 picture?

blackonblack · 01-02-2010, 07:25 PM

Friend of mine is selling a luger and just has 1 photo available. It's a 1936 that his father brought back from WWII chambered in .30 Luger

Can you tell what make it is or any other info about it?

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Edward Tinker · 01-02-2010, 07:43 PM

no and I don't know of any 1936 that was in 30 caliber....

I have heard stories of 30 cal being used by the railroad, so anything is possible.

However, from what you said, a 1936 would be a military acceptance marking, however, I don;t see any proof and acceptance markings on the right.

We need a lot more than a darker small picture.

Ed

blackonblack · 01-02-2010, 07:49 PM

Actually I'm sorry my friend said it as in 38 cal didn't have my glasses on. So that would make it a 9mm luger. Is that correct for a 1936?

EricW · 01-02-2010, 08:00 PM

9mm is correct for a 1936. Ask your friend to describe the markings on the gun. If there is an "S/42" on the toggle its a Mauser (the most likely).

blackonblack · 01-02-2010, 08:24 PM

Thanks Eric W. I know the S/42 would mean it's a Mauser. I saw a 1936 S/42 on gunsamerica for really expensive. (4200) which is in better condition than the one I have pictured. What markings, or serial numbers would be most desirable on this gun.

Also are most lugers that American soldiers brought home MATCHING? I would have thought they would be since they were taken from dead soldiers that probably had them issued brand new.

lugerholsterrepair · 01-02-2010, 08:33 PM

I would have thought they would be since they were taken from dead soldiers that probably had them issued brand new.

Thousands..many thousands of German Soldiers surrendered and dropped their weapons into piles. Not all weapons were directly captured.

Jerry Burney

EricW · 01-02-2010, 08:43 PM

If it says Krieghoff on the toggle that would be much more desirable. As Ed states, you need more and better photos.

Alx · 01-03-2010, 08:07 AM

A returning GI would rather say he took his Luger off a prisoner or dead soldier, than picked it out a pile like this.

saab-bob · 01-03-2010, 10:57 AM

to George A

Is this a early picture of you when you where just starting out collecting lugers? I hope you have a better storage area now!

Bob

alvin · 01-03-2010, 11:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alx

Alx -- Was this picture taken in Norway?

Alx · 01-03-2010, 01:04 PM

not by me .... no, really I can't remember where I copied it from ....
About 4 or 5 years ago, I posted this on Jan Still's Luger forum, and it gathered some discussion, ... if I remember correctly, another member knew of the photo, its source and story. Maybe a search there could find it, I use the same name both forums (fora, forae ?)

Some of the replies were funny, and one person thought he recognized Ralph Shattuck in the photo, getting his start as a Luger collector.

I think I see one of my shooter Lugers in that million-dollar pile, the one near the back with the little scratch next to the toggle ...... I bet the original magazine is somewhere in there too.

klaus 3338 · 01-03-2010, 04:25 PM

I do not know if this photo was taken in Norway, but I remember such boxes in Ackerhus in Oslo.

Edward Tinker · 01-03-2010, 05:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alx

not by me .... no, really I can't remember where I copied it from ....
....

this photo is in Johnson's "booty" book, and I am sure in others, I have this photo and about 5 or 10 others like it saved from the internet.

The photo above says PFC Herman Stanley on the copy I have on my hard drive....

suum cuique · 01-04-2010, 10:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alvin

Alx -- Was this picture taken in Norway?

this picture was taken last week in my grandfathers potato cellar !

(Wishful thinking...)

Vlim · 01-04-2010, 11:09 AM

Many pistols were also simply purchased in the 1950s and 1960s to replace the 'war booty' that either never was, or was lost, sold or gambled away somehow. Companies like Interarms imported literally thousands of them in those days. The European countries were glad to get rid of them and there was a US market for these souvenir guns.

Vlim · 01-04-2010, 11:17 AM

The guy in the picture is probably looking for a chromed one, lol.

(taken from Herr Oberleutnant Transportkisten.

)

blackonblack · 01-04-2010, 10:35 PM

Guys what is the minimum value of a 1936 luger photoed? I am going to take a look at it this week and see if it's a Mauser or Kreighoff. Do I necessarily have to disassemble it to see if the parts are matching? On that particular pistol what should I be looking for, what markings etc.

Also can you tell if it's been refinished or all original?

The guy offering it hasn't commended on how much he wants for it.

Norme · 01-04-2010, 10:57 PM

Hi, Minimum value would be $500.00. The odds of it turning out to be a Krieghoff are literally 100 to 1 against. Regards

Thor · 01-05-2010, 07:34 AM

I believe a 36 Krieghoff would have a fire blued magazine release button, but a 36 Mauser would have a straw colored button.

01-02-2010, 07:25 PM	#1
blackonblack User Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 11 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Can you tell what model luger this is by 1 picture? Friend of mine is selling a luger and just has 1 photo available. It's a 1936 that his father brought back from WWII chambered in .30 Luger Can you tell what make it is or any other info about it? I

01-02-2010, 07:43 PM	#2
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,962 Thanks: 2,063 Thanked 4,592 Times in 2,114 Posts	no and I don't know of any 1936 that was in 30 caliber.... I have heard stories of 30 cal being used by the railroad, so anything is possible. However, from what you said, a 1936 would be a military acceptance marking, however, I don;t see any proof and acceptance markings on the right. We need a lot more than a darker small picture. Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

01-02-2010, 08:00 PM	#4
EricW User Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: CA, USA Posts: 62 Thanks: 4 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	9mm is correct for a 1936. Ask your friend to describe the markings on the gun. If there is an "S/42" on the toggle its a Mauser (the most likely). __________________ I'm looking for a D suffix DE154 G Date mag. The closer to #457d the better PM me if you have one you are willing to sell, trade, or if you have a lead

01-02-2010, 08:33 PM	#6
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,775 Thanks: 4,995 Thanked 3,133 Times in 1,439 Posts	I would have thought they would be since they were taken from dead soldiers that probably had them issued brand new. Thousands..many thousands of German Soldiers surrendered and dropped their weapons into piles. Not all weapons were directly captured. Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

01-02-2010, 08:43 PM	#7
EricW User Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: CA, USA Posts: 62 Thanks: 4 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	If it says Krieghoff on the toggle that would be much more desirable. As Ed states, you need more and better photos. __________________ I'm looking for a D suffix DE154 G Date mag. The closer to #457d the better PM me if you have one you are willing to sell, trade, or if you have a lead

01-02-2010, 07:49 PM	#3
blackonblack User Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 11 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Actually I'm sorry my friend said it as in 38 cal didn't have my glasses on. So that would make it a 9mm luger. Is that correct for a 1936?

01-02-2010, 08:24 PM	#5
blackonblack User Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 11 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks Eric W. I know the S/42 would mean it's a Mauser. I saw a 1936 S/42 on gunsamerica for really expensive. (4200) which is in better condition than the one I have pictured. What markings, or serial numbers would be most desirable on this gun. Also are most lugers that American soldiers brought home MATCHING? I would have thought they would be since they were taken from dead soldiers that probably had them issued brand new.

01-03-2010, 08:07 AM	#8
Alx User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Nashville, Tennessee area Posts: 263 Thanks: 5 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	A returning GI would rather say he took his Luger off a prisoner or dead soldier, than picked it out a pile like this.

01-03-2010, 10:57 AM	#9
saab-bob User Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: So Cal Posts: 459 Thanks: 774 Thanked 143 Times in 87 Posts	to George A Is this a early picture of you when you where just starting out collecting lugers? I hope you have a better storage area now! Bob __________________ "I think,therefore I own guns"

01-03-2010, 01:04 PM	#11
Alx User Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Nashville, Tennessee area Posts: 263 Thanks: 5 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	not by me .... no, really I can't remember where I copied it from .... About 4 or 5 years ago, I posted this on Jan Still's Luger forum, and it gathered some discussion, ... if I remember correctly, another member knew of the photo, its source and story. Maybe a search there could find it, I use the same name both forums (fora, forae ?) Some of the replies were funny, and one person thought he recognized Ralph Shattuck in the photo, getting his start as a Luger collector. I think I see one of my shooter Lugers in that million-dollar pile, the one near the back with the little scratch next to the toggle ...... I bet the original magazine is somewhere in there too.

01-03-2010, 04:25 PM	#12
klaus 3338 User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Germany Posts: 519 Thanks: 0 Thanked 416 Times in 162 Posts	I do not know if this photo was taken in Norway, but I remember such boxes in Ackerhus in Oslo.

01-04-2010, 11:09 AM	#15
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,990 Times in 1,205 Posts	Many pistols were also simply purchased in the 1950s and 1960s to replace the 'war booty' that either never was, or was lost, sold or gambled away somehow. Companies like Interarms imported literally thousands of them in those days. The European countries were glad to get rid of them and there was a US market for these souvenir guns.

01-04-2010, 11:17 AM	#16
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,990 Times in 1,205 Posts	The guy in the picture is probably looking for a chromed one, lol. (taken from Herr Oberleutnant Transportkisten. )

01-04-2010, 10:35 PM	#17
blackonblack User Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 11 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Guys what is the minimum value of a 1936 luger photoed? I am going to take a look at it this week and see if it's a Mauser or Kreighoff. Do I necessarily have to disassemble it to see if the parts are matching? On that particular pistol what should I be looking for, what markings etc. Also can you tell if it's been refinished or all original? The guy offering it hasn't commended on how much he wants for it.

01-04-2010, 10:57 PM	#18
Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,417 Thanks: 226 Thanked 2,607 Times in 933 Posts	Hi, Minimum value would be $500.00. The odds of it turning out to be a Krieghoff are literally 100 to 1 against. Regards

01-05-2010, 07:34 AM	#19
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	I believe a 36 Krieghoff would have a fire blued magazine release button, but a 36 Mauser would have a straw colored button. __________________ Thor's Luger Clinic http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/ Ted Green (Thor Yaller Boots) 725 Western Hills Dr SE, Rio Rancho, NM 87124 915-526-8925 Email thor340@aol.com ----------------------------------- John3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."