m 1 carbine

ejc · 05-19-2008, 06:25 PM

Hey.
I just purchased one of those m1 carbines from the cmp. Fun little gun to shoot. On the one I purchased in the cutout area of the stock where the sling goes is a brass plate. The markings are "CC Zogno 5" just wondering if anyone knows what it means. My guess would be that it is some kind of property or unit mark or maybe it means nothing just wondering really. Any help on the matter would be great.
Thanks Ed

John Sabato · 05-19-2008, 10:52 PM

These carbines were returned from Italy. Zogno is a small town about 35 miles northeast of Milano. The number is either the weapon number, or the unit number. The CC is probably an abbreviation for Carabinieri, which is the Italian National Police, similar to our FBI only most of them are uniformed. They are the agency that deals with everything under national jurisdiction including intelligence, and organized crime.

I haven't been to the town, but lived in northern Italy for amost 7 years, and spent my last two years while in the Army as a tactical liaison and the American communications chief with the Italian Air Force on a Nike Hercules air defense missile base. Seems like a hundred years ago, but I left there in Jan '88

ejc · 05-19-2008, 11:26 PM

thanks John I just got this gun two days ago and noticed that brass plate and thought someone would know something. I would have never even noticed it in the past but since getting into lugers stuff like that is the first thing I look for
thanks Ed

bmcgilvray · 05-20-2008, 04:58 PM

I love the M1 Carbine and have enjoyed shooting them for years. I've found them to be very dependable shooters. Only my view but the cartridge is better and more useful than some folks think.

Sure wish you could post a photo of your new Carbine acquisition. I'd like to see one of those CMP Carbines.

ejc · 05-20-2008, 10:07 PM

see if this works

ejc · 05-20-2008, 10:13 PM

here is the brass plate

ejc · 05-20-2008, 10:14 PM

and here is the whole gun

WG dog · 05-21-2008, 08:12 AM

That's a nice looking carbine! Markings on barrel and receiver?

I'm still trying to understand "high wood" and "low wood" stocks. That's a "low wood" stock?

I've got two Inland carbines. Recently went through pouches and magazines looking for makers' markings.

Pouches:
B.B.S. Co. 1943 (stock)
Pittsburgh Garter Co. 1943 (belt)
J.S.& S. Co. 1943 (stock)
J.Q.M.D. 1942 (stock)
Midland Fabrics Co. 1943 (belt)
Boyt -45- U.S.M.C. N.O.M.-47218 (stock).

Magazines (15rd):
SL (Standard Products)
IA (Inland)
U (Union Hardware)
IU (Underwood)
SC K (on bottom) ?
IW (Winchester)
R-O (Rock-Ola)
KI (Inland)
IS (Standard Products)
UI (Inland)
IU (circled) (Inland or Underwood)?

And some unmarked 30rd magazines.

Picked up the carbines and mags etc about twenty years ago. It was fun to go through the box of mags and pouches to see what was in there. Back then, new in wrap mags were $2 each iirc.

75BShooter · 05-21-2008, 07:14 PM

WG dog. Regarding your question on the high/low wood stock, from the pictures of ejc carbine I can't tell for sure if it is high or low. However on a low wood stock the cut for the operating rod handle was longer . This exposed the entire operating shaft whereas with a high wood stock the cut wasn't as long and more of the operating shaft was covered by the stock

WG dog · 05-22-2008, 08:05 AM

Thanks, 75BShooter. But I might have to hold a high wood stock in one hand, and a low wood stock in the other, to understand.

Guessing all the carbines I've seen had high wood stocks.

75BShooter · 05-22-2008, 04:45 PM

WG dog. Chances are most of the carbines you have seem have
low wood stocks. Many more of them were made.

Tim

05-19-2008, 06:25 PM	#1
ejc User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 83 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	m 1 carbine Hey. I just purchased one of those m1 carbines from the cmp. Fun little gun to shoot. On the one I purchased in the cutout area of the stock where the sling goes is a brass plate. The markings are "CC Zogno 5" just wondering if anyone knows what it means. My guess would be that it is some kind of property or unit mark or maybe it means nothing just wondering really. Any help on the matter would be great. Thanks Ed

05-19-2008, 10:52 PM	#2
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,156 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,308 Times in 1,098 Posts	These carbines were returned from Italy. Zogno is a small town about 35 miles northeast of Milano. The number is either the weapon number, or the unit number. The CC is probably an abbreviation for Carabinieri, which is the Italian National Police, similar to our FBI only most of them are uniformed. They are the agency that deals with everything under national jurisdiction including intelligence, and organized crime. I haven't been to the town, but lived in northern Italy for amost 7 years, and spent my last two years while in the Army as a tactical liaison and the American communications chief with the Italian Air Force on a Nike Hercules air defense missile base. Seems like a hundred years ago, but I left there in Jan '88 __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

05-20-2008, 10:07 PM	#5
ejc User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 83 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	see if this works Attached Images

05-20-2008, 10:13 PM	#6
ejc User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 83 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	here is the brass plate Attached Images

05-20-2008, 10:14 PM	#7
ejc User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 83 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	and here is the whole gun Attached Images

05-19-2008, 11:26 PM	#3
ejc User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 83 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	thanks John I just got this gun two days ago and noticed that brass plate and thought someone would know something. I would have never even noticed it in the past but since getting into lugers stuff like that is the first thing I look for thanks Ed

05-20-2008, 04:58 PM	#4
bmcgilvray User Join Date: May 2008 Location: Central Texas Posts: 16 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I love the M1 Carbine and have enjoyed shooting them for years. I've found them to be very dependable shooters. Only my view but the cartridge is better and more useful than some folks think. Sure wish you could post a photo of your new Carbine acquisition. I'd like to see one of those CMP Carbines.

05-21-2008, 08:12 AM	#8
WG dog Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 142 Thanks: 1,282 Thanked 37 Times in 24 Posts	That's a nice looking carbine! Markings on barrel and receiver? I'm still trying to understand "high wood" and "low wood" stocks. That's a "low wood" stock? I've got two Inland carbines. Recently went through pouches and magazines looking for makers' markings. Pouches: B.B.S. Co. 1943 (stock) Pittsburgh Garter Co. 1943 (belt) J.S.& S. Co. 1943 (stock) J.Q.M.D. 1942 (stock) Midland Fabrics Co. 1943 (belt) Boyt -45- U.S.M.C. N.O.M.-47218 (stock). Magazines (15rd): SL (Standard Products) IA (Inland) U (Union Hardware) IU (Underwood) SC K (on bottom) ? IW (Winchester) R-O (Rock-Ola) KI (Inland) IS (Standard Products) UI (Inland) IU (circled) (Inland or Underwood)? And some unmarked 30rd magazines. Picked up the carbines and mags etc about twenty years ago. It was fun to go through the box of mags and pouches to see what was in there. Back then, new in wrap mags were $2 each iirc.

05-21-2008, 07:14 PM	#9
75BShooter User Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: S.F. Bay Area Posts: 42 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	WG dog. Regarding your question on the high/low wood stock, from the pictures of ejc carbine I can't tell for sure if it is high or low. However on a low wood stock the cut for the operating rod handle was longer . This exposed the entire operating shaft whereas with a high wood stock the cut wasn't as long and more of the operating shaft was covered by the stock

05-22-2008, 08:05 AM	#10
WG dog Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 142 Thanks: 1,282 Thanked 37 Times in 24 Posts	Thanks, 75BShooter. But I might have to hold a high wood stock in one hand, and a low wood stock in the other, to understand. Guessing all the carbines I've seen had high wood stocks.

05-22-2008, 04:45 PM	#11
75BShooter User Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: S.F. Bay Area Posts: 42 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	WG dog. Chances are most of the carbines you have seem have low wood stocks. Many more of them were made. Tim