Walther Toggle Action Pistol...

Pete Ebbink · 12-02-2004, 11:27 AM

Bob Adams has a photo on his web site of a Walther toggle-action pistol :

http://www.adamsguns.com/walther.htm

Anyone know more about these...???

Regards,

Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

Navy · 12-02-2004, 03:43 PM

That is one fugly gun....

Tom A.

Franz Lehr · 12-02-2004, 04:27 PM

Similar pistol (if not the same) was presented at http://www.hoba.cz/index.php?c=clane...and=view&id=98 dated 03/24/2002. Some interesting info in Czech language.
Franz

Pete Ebbink · 12-02-2004, 04:44 PM

Hi Franz,

Thanks for directing me to the other web site. Is there a chance you can do a translation and then inform us of the details in the article.

I would be curious to know how Walther got around any patent infringement problems with the luger folks at DWM/Mauser...

Here are the photos from the Czech web site :

p.s. Is that a double-stack magazine...???

Regards,

Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

G.T. · 12-02-2004, 09:40 PM

Ugly as it may be.... they address some serious Luger issues.. one being the grip angle... we all love it (the P.08) as sport shooters, and collectors... but as a military weapon..you just want it to go off.. every time you pull the trigger!!! The enlarged trigger guard also address a weak point on the luger, as compared to the P.38 or even the latter Nambu's for that matter... (maybe that's the dog that jumped the fence??

) But, it has some unmistakable Walther features.. and as a prototype example... it has to be valuable... but I also have to agree... it is butt ugly... not enough knowledge... too much leasure time! best to all...til...lat'r...GT <img border="0" alt="[jumper]" title="" src="graemlins/jumper.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[jumper]" title="" src="graemlins/jumper.gif" />

John Sabato · 12-03-2004, 10:08 AM

Hey Tacfoley... I thought that I vaguely remember there were one of these experimental walther toggle pistols in your wonderful official pattern room?

Of course I could be mistaken... it has been known to happen on occasion...

I have an 88 year old uncle, a vet of the Burma-China-India theater of world war 2, that used to tell me when I stood only up to his belt line (a LONG time ago) that he had a lot of faults... but making mistakes wasn't one of them <img border="0" alt="[hiha]" title="" src="graemlins/roflmao.gif" />

Karl · 12-03-2004, 11:41 AM

The position of the trigger within the triggerguard suggests it is a double action. KFS

G.T. · 12-03-2004, 12:07 PM

Hi John! Your post made me think of some of my fathers favorite sayings. My favorite, was when he would look at me suspiciously and say, "The only two people I trust in this world, is me and you, and I ain't so sure about you!" It always brings a smile to my face, ..

Another time his grandson, my son.. asked him if, as a kid, I was ever in much trouble??... He replied, "No not much .. but where ever trouble was, he wasn't too far away!" .... good memories all... best to all, til...lat'r...GT <img border="0" alt="[jumper]" title="" src="graemlins/jumper.gif" />

John Sabato · 12-03-2004, 01:00 PM

Karl, Nice theory based on the similarity to other Walther designs, but this is a striker (firing pin) design... the pivoting trigger and external linkage shown above is strictly for release of the pre-cocked striker...

I see no provision for the cocking of the striker in a manner than could be termed as "double-action"...

besides, in s striker design... the firing pin would be resting on the primer if the gun were not already cocked, and waiting for the trigger pull to **** it...

NOT a good idea... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" />

IMHO, in this old engineer/gunsmith's eyes this is a single action semi-auto design.

12-02-2004, 11:27 AM	#1
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Walther Toggle Action Pistol... Bob Adams has a photo on his web site of a Walther toggle-action pistol : http://www.adamsguns.com/walther.htm Anyone know more about these...??? Regards, Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

12-03-2004, 10:08 AM	#6
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,155 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,308 Times in 1,098 Posts	Hey Tacfoley... I thought that I vaguely remember there were one of these experimental walther toggle pistols in your wonderful official pattern room? Of course I could be mistaken... it has been known to happen on occasion... I have an 88 year old uncle, a vet of the Burma-China-India theater of world war 2, that used to tell me when I stood only up to his belt line (a LONG time ago) that he had a lot of faults... but making mistakes wasn't one of them <img border="0" alt="[hiha]" title="" src="graemlins/roflmao.gif" /> __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

12-03-2004, 01:00 PM	#9
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,155 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,308 Times in 1,098 Posts	Karl, Nice theory based on the similarity to other Walther designs, but this is a striker (firing pin) design... the pivoting trigger and external linkage shown above is strictly for release of the pre-cocked striker... I see no provision for the cocking of the striker in a manner than could be termed as "double-action"... besides, in s striker design... the firing pin would be resting on the primer if the gun were not already cocked, and waiting for the trigger pull to ** it... NOT a good idea... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" /> IMHO, in this old engineer/gunsmith's eyes this is a single action semi-auto design. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL and are endowed by their Creator** with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

12-02-2004, 03:43 PM	#2
Navy RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dc 'burbs in Virginia Posts: 2,482 Thanks: 0 Thanked 16 Times in 10 Posts	That is one fugly gun.... Tom A.

12-02-2004, 04:27 PM	#3
Franz Lehr New User Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Similar pistol (if not the same) was presented at http://www.hoba.cz/index.php?c=clane...and=view&id=98 dated 03/24/2002. Some interesting info in Czech language. Franz

12-02-2004, 04:44 PM	#4
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Hi Franz, Thanks for directing me to the other web site. Is there a chance you can do a translation and then inform us of the details in the article. I would be curious to know how Walther got around any patent infringement problems with the luger folks at DWM/Mauser... Here are the photos from the Czech web site : p.s. Is that a double-stack magazine...??? Regards, Pete... <img border="0" alt="[typing]" title="" src="graemlins/yltype.gif" />

12-02-2004, 09:40 PM	#5
G.T. Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Chandler Arizona Posts: 3,526 Thanks: 1,323 Thanked 3,709 Times in 1,013 Posts	Ugly as it may be.... they address some serious Luger issues.. one being the grip angle... we all love it (the P.08) as sport shooters, and collectors... but as a military weapon..you just want it to go off.. every time you pull the trigger!!! The enlarged trigger guard also address a weak point on the luger, as compared to the P.38 or even the latter Nambu's for that matter... (maybe that's the dog that jumped the fence?? ) But, it has some unmistakable Walther features.. and as a prototype example... it has to be valuable... but I also have to agree... it is butt ugly... not enough knowledge... too much leasure time! best to all...til...lat'r...GT <img border="0" alt="[jumper]" title="" src="graemlins/jumper.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[jumper]" title="" src="graemlins/jumper.gif" />

12-03-2004, 11:41 AM	#7
Karl Lifer - Twice Over Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Savannah Posts: 530 Thanks: 0 Thanked 280 Times in 123 Posts	The position of the trigger within the triggerguard suggests it is a double action. KFS

12-03-2004, 12:07 PM	#8
G.T. Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Chandler Arizona Posts: 3,526 Thanks: 1,323 Thanked 3,709 Times in 1,013 Posts	Hi John! Your post made me think of some of my fathers favorite sayings. My favorite, was when he would look at me suspiciously and say, "The only two people I trust in this world, is me and you, and I ain't so sure about you!" It always brings a smile to my face, .. Another time his grandson, my son.. asked him if, as a kid, I was ever in much trouble??... He replied, "No not much .. but where ever trouble was, he wasn't too far away!" .... good memories all... best to all, til...lat'r...GT <img border="0" alt="[jumper]" title="" src="graemlins/jumper.gif" />