Commemorative/commercial Luger

Jack Lawman · 08-08-2003, 03:16 AM

I came across what may be a commemorative or commercial luger (no special plate on it). It is a 9mm Mauser stamped by Interarms. It appears black, American Eagle over the chamber, 6" barrel, has a grip safety and appears near unfired. What would a high and low estimate be on one of these?

Thanks for any help,
Jack

John Sabato · 08-08-2003, 10:04 PM

Jack,

This is one of the last Commercially manufactured by Mauser lugers and they were made in the '70s.

I have seen them go from $600 to 900 dollars new in the box over the last couple of years... more if they were a special commemorative like a Navy or Artillery Model... or one of many others like Russian...

Tom Heller (Lugerdoc) may even have a couple of these new in his inventory...

Jack Lawman · 08-08-2003, 10:19 PM

Thanks for the reply John.

The owner is asking $800. I don't know how much room there is to negotiate. I would think $650-700 is a fair price (no box). It would be like a super-grade shooter. The pistol is on consignment at a shop.

Hairy · 08-09-2003, 01:01 AM

From what I've seen, the $800 is in the ballpark. Good luck on getting it down much below that; if you can get him to take $750--grab it.

mauro · 08-09-2003, 02:41 PM

Hello Jack,
I have few Commemorative Mauser Parabellum in my collection. Only to clarify a point:

At the beginning of '70, Mauser made two series of Parabellum the commercial one and the commemorative one.

The commercial one have the following serial numbers:

10.00xxxx for .30 Luger caliber
11.00xxxx for 9mm Parabellum

The commemoratives are now rare and they have a special serial number. Usually the commemorative model have been made in 250 exemplars (even if there are very rare exceptions with commercial serial number).

Concerning the commercial model two types were done:
The 29/70 model similar to the Swiss 1929 model (Mauser bought all tools from Berna arsenal), and the 06/73 model similar to the 1906 model.

Ciao

Jack Lawman · 08-09-2003, 04:59 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by mauro:
Hello Jack,

The commercial one have the following serial numbers:
10.00xxxx for .30 Luger caliber
11.00xxxx for 9mm Parabellum

Concerning the commercial model two types were done:
The 29/70 model similar to the Swiss 1929 model (Mauser bought all tools from Berna arsenal), and the 06/73 model similar to the 1906 model.
<hr /></blockquote>Thanks for the clarification. It is definitely the 11.00xxxx variety, non-commemorative, but I am unsure of which model, 29/70 or 06/73. I would imagine the second set of numbers on the serial designation is the year of production? I will research the two different models and find out which it is.

Thanks again for the expert assistance,
Jack

mauro · 08-10-2003, 06:11 PM

Jack the four digits are the "real" serial number. The last two digit of the year are placed on the left of the pistol (i.e. 73 for 1973).
The year is not a good parameter to know the model. In fact both models were produced in parallel starting from 1973. In the picture attached the 29/70 model manual.
Ciao

http://boards.rennlist.com/lfupload/29-70.jpg

08-08-2003, 03:16 AM	#1
Jack Lawman User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Near NYC Posts: 428 Thanks: 30 Thanked 64 Times in 37 Posts	Commemorative/commercial Luger I came across what may be a commemorative or commercial luger (no special plate on it). It is a 9mm Mauser stamped by Interarms. It appears black, American Eagle over the chamber, 6" barrel, has a grip safety and appears near unfired. What would a high and low estimate be on one of these? Thanks for any help, Jack __________________ Why do you guys hate black circles so much?

08-08-2003, 10:04 PM	#2
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,156 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,309 Times in 1,098 Posts	Jack, This is one of the last Commercially manufactured by Mauser lugers and they were made in the '70s. I have seen them go from $600 to 900 dollars new in the box over the last couple of years... more if they were a special commemorative like a Navy or Artillery Model... or one of many others like Russian... Tom Heller (Lugerdoc) may even have a couple of these new in his inventory... __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

08-08-2003, 10:19 PM	#3
Jack Lawman User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Near NYC Posts: 428 Thanks: 30 Thanked 64 Times in 37 Posts	Thanks for the reply John. The owner is asking $800. I don't know how much room there is to negotiate. I would think $650-700 is a fair price (no box). It would be like a super-grade shooter. The pistol is on consignment at a shop. __________________ Why do you guys hate black circles so much?

08-09-2003, 02:41 PM	#5
mauro FIREARM HISTORIAN AND AUT Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Belgium Posts: 1,535 Thanks: 106 Thanked 350 Times in 129 Posts	Hello Jack, I have few Commemorative Mauser Parabellum in my collection. Only to clarify a point: At the beginning of '70, Mauser made two series of Parabellum the commercial one and the commemorative one. The commercial one have the following serial numbers: 10.00xxxx for .30 Luger caliber 11.00xxxx for 9mm Parabellum The commemoratives are now rare and they have a special serial number. Usually the commemorative model have been made in 250 exemplars (even if there are very rare exceptions with commercial serial number). Concerning the commercial model two types were done: The 29/70 model similar to the Swiss 1929 model (Mauser bought all tools from Berna arsenal), and the 06/73 model similar to the 1906 model. Ciao __________________ Mauro Baudino - www.lugerlp08.com www.paul-mauser-archive.com Mauser Company and Firearm Historian - Mauser Parabellum Certification Service.

08-09-2003, 04:59 PM	#6
Jack Lawman User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Near NYC Posts: 428 Thanks: 30 Thanked 64 Times in 37 Posts	</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Originally posted by mauro: <strong>Hello Jack, The commercial one have the following serial numbers: 10.00xxxx for .30 Luger caliber 11.00xxxx for 9mm Parabellum Concerning the commercial model two types were done: The 29/70 model similar to the Swiss 1929 model (Mauser bought all tools from Berna arsenal), and the 06/73 model similar to the 1906 model. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Thanks for the clarification. It is definitely the 11.00xxxx variety, non-commemorative, but I am unsure of which model, 29/70 or 06/73. I would imagine the second set of numbers on the serial designation is the year of production? I will research the two different models and find out which it is. Thanks again for the expert assistance, Jack __________________ Why do you guys hate black circles so much?

08-09-2003, 01:01 AM	#4
Hairy User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Hudson, FL Posts: 120 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	From what I've seen, the $800 is in the ballpark. Good luck on getting it down much below that; if you can get him to take $750--grab it.

08-10-2003, 06:11 PM	#7
mauro FIREARM HISTORIAN AND AUT Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Belgium Posts: 1,535 Thanks: 106 Thanked 350 Times in 129 Posts	Jack the four digits are the "real" serial number. The last two digit of the year are placed on the left of the pistol (i.e. 73 for 1973). The year is not a good parameter to know the model. In fact both models were produced in parallel starting from 1973. In the picture attached the 29/70 model manual. Ciao http://boards.rennlist.com/lfupload/29-70.jpg __________________ Mauro Baudino - www.lugerlp08.com www.paul-mauser-archive.com Mauser Company and Firearm Historian - Mauser Parabellum Certification Service.

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