.30 accuracy?

Dwight Gruber · 12-06-2002, 03:35 AM

Many correspondents here prefer the .30 Luger for its purported superior accuracy. Is there any documented information concerning the inherent accuracy of the .30 Luger round relative to 9mm Parabellum?

--Dwight (not trying to break anybody's chops, just curious...)

unspellable · 12-06-2002, 02:25 PM

This is an educated guess, but I'd think that with equal care in bullet fit to bore and general load developement it would be a horse race. Especially at 50 feet from a Ransom rest.

For long range practical work, the 7.65 would have a little higher velocity, hence less drop. The 9 mm velocity is in the trans-sonic region which means it will be affected more by a cross wind. The 7.65 is fast enough to get out of this region. The 7.65 has a little less recoil hence less jump to disturb the aim.

Edmond , DCB shooting · 12-21-2002, 05:10 PM

Hi all ! from experience , I can say .30 LÃ?Â¼ger is more accurate than most 9 mm, at least I never shot an ammo that was not. but with the correct ammo, 9 mm are equally accurate. should we say that there is more quality ammo in .30 than in 9 mm ? I could notice this phenomenon in Parabellum and SIG P 210 pistols.

HÃ?Â¥kan Spuhr · 01-20-2003, 05:06 PM

9mm para is a very accurate cartridge if its loaded correctly.
With a good bullt such as Hornady XTP or Norma TC the accuracy is second to nothing.

If you have a barrel that has a slower twist than the normal for a 9mm, you can shoot lead bullets with extremely good accuracy.

Regards HÃ?Â¥kan

G.T. · 01-20-2003, 05:14 PM

Hakan! It is nice to see you back on the forum!! Long over due! Hello again! till...later...GT <img border="0" alt="[jumper]" title="" src="graemlins/jumper.gif" />

HÃ?Â¥kan Spuhr · 01-20-2003, 05:44 PM

Thansk a lot for the welcome GT.

Regards HÃ?Â¥kan

Steve Richards · 01-20-2003, 05:50 PM

I would also like to welcome you back to our happy little family. We disagree on some topics but I respect your opinions very much.

Edward Tinker · 01-20-2003, 07:42 PM

Hallo HÃ?Â¥kan Spuhr!!

Good to see you posting here, always welcome.

Ed

kidvett · 01-20-2003, 09:29 PM

Hello,

Accuracy in 30 cal has given me 1 1/2 in groups @ 50 yds from a 1900AE & old Western ammo. I did similar groups ( just a tad wider ) with a 1920 3 7/8 in bbl & WW Super X ball ammo.

9mm: Best was around 1 1/2 in group @ 25 yds from various P-08's with factory & reloaded ammo. P-38's : well! it's not even worth mention as they are poor shooters, accuracy wise....

Best accuracy I ever had with a factory pistol in 9mm was 7/8 in @ 25 yds from a H&K P7M8...

So for me the 30 Luger is more accurate than a 9 mil...and I just built myself a nice 5 inch 30 cal Luger shooter for this season....

kidvett

12-06-2002, 03:35 AM	#1
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,908 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,330 Times in 435 Posts	.30 accuracy? Many correspondents here prefer the .30 Luger for its purported superior accuracy. Is there any documented information concerning the inherent accuracy of the .30 Luger round relative to 9mm Parabellum? --Dwight (not trying to break anybody's chops, just curious...)

12-21-2002, 05:10 PM	#3
Edmond , DCB shooting User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: FRANCE Posts: 53 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hi all ! from experience , I can say .30 LÃ?Â¼ger is more accurate than most 9 mm, at least I never shot an ammo that was not. but with the correct ammo, 9 mm are equally accurate. should we say that there is more quality ammo in .30 than in 9 mm ? I could notice this phenomenon in Parabellum and SIG P 210 pistols. __________________ Shoot'in by DCB

01-20-2003, 07:42 PM	#8
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,960 Thanks: 2,062 Thanked 4,591 Times in 2,114 Posts	Hallo HÃ?Â¥kan Spuhr!! Good to see you posting here, always welcome. Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

12-06-2002, 02:25 PM	#2
unspellable User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Iowa Posts: 768 Thanks: 0 Thanked 19 Times in 11 Posts	This is an educated guess, but I'd think that with equal care in bullet fit to bore and general load developement it would be a horse race. Especially at 50 feet from a Ransom rest. For long range practical work, the 7.65 would have a little higher velocity, hence less drop. The 9 mm velocity is in the trans-sonic region which means it will be affected more by a cross wind. The 7.65 is fast enough to get out of this region. The 7.65 has a little less recoil hence less jump to disturb the aim.

01-20-2003, 05:06 PM	#4
HÃ?Â¥kan Spuhr User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Sweden Posts: 282 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	9mm para is a very accurate cartridge if its loaded correctly. With a good bullt such as Hornady XTP or Norma TC the accuracy is second to nothing. If you have a barrel that has a slower twist than the normal for a 9mm, you can shoot lead bullets with extremely good accuracy. Regards HÃ?Â¥kan

01-20-2003, 05:14 PM	#5
G.T. Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Chandler Arizona Posts: 3,522 Thanks: 1,321 Thanked 3,706 Times in 1,011 Posts	Hakan! It is nice to see you back on the forum!! Long over due! Hello again! till...later...GT <img border="0" alt="[jumper]" title="" src="graemlins/jumper.gif" />

01-20-2003, 05:44 PM	#6
HÃ?Â¥kan Spuhr User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Sweden Posts: 282 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thansk a lot for the welcome GT. Regards HÃ?Â¥kan

01-20-2003, 05:50 PM	#7
Steve Richards User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Beaverton, Oregon Posts: 487 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	I would also like to welcome you back to our happy little family. We disagree on some topics but I respect your opinions very much.

01-20-2003, 09:29 PM	#9
kidvett User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Montreal, Quebec Posts: 584 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Hello, Accuracy in 30 cal has given me 1 1/2 in groups @ 50 yds from a 1900AE & old Western ammo. I did similar groups ( just a tad wider ) with a 1920 3 7/8 in bbl & WW Super X ball ammo. 9mm: Best was around 1 1/2 in group @ 25 yds from various P-08's with factory & reloaded ammo. P-38's : well! it's not even worth mention as they are poor shooters, accuracy wise.... Best accuracy I ever had with a factory pistol in 9mm was 7/8 in @ 25 yds from a H&K P7M8... So for me the 30 Luger is more accurate than a 9 mil...and I just built myself a nice 5 inch 30 cal Luger shooter for this season.... kidvett