police holster?

sverre · 05-31-2003, 04:39 PM

can somebody tell me something about this police holster? on the back it says P.B and S.B.5532
9631
and inside the flap it is stamped: deutche
s?????en fabrik
ka???ruhe 1,b
19?8

here are some pics.

http://boards.rennlist.com/lfupload/back.JPG

http://boards.rennlist.com/lfupload/backstamps.JPG

http://boards.rennlist.com/lfupload/frontside.JPG

all info will be very helpful.

mvh.Sverre

Edward Tinker · 05-31-2003, 07:08 PM

Sverre, I can take a stab at it.

Generally WW2 Police holsters were made in Berlin, this part makes it look like it says Karlsruhe: deutches?????en fabrik ka???ruhe 1,b

Which is very possible.

These markings can mean several things, I don't think it is a rework of a military holster.

P.B For the police, P.B. does not have an exact match.

S.B.5532 & 9631 could mean; S = Schutzpolizie (municipal police force) B = Berlin, the or 9631 5532 would the weapon number

Of course it depends on the placement, but I am guessing that the P.B. and then the S.B., were each assigned to a weapon and the holster changed locations, but this is strictly a guess.

and inside the flap it is stamped:
19?8

So either 1918, 1928 or 1938, I would guess 1928, although 1938 is also possible. If it was 1918, then the holster should show as a rework, as it was after 1918 that this type of holster was used for the police.

Ed

sverre · 05-31-2003, 07:42 PM

so this is a holster made for the police in 1928 or in 1938, any ideas about what its worth and how common this holster is?

thanks for the help

sverre

Edward Tinker · 05-31-2003, 07:46 PM

Police holsters are not as common as Military Holsters, looking on ebay is a good indication, I see them go from $85-$200, depending on who is bidding. Clear marks, brown color (even more value), all add to value.

I collect police Lugers, so like these kind of holsters.

Ed

Lugerdoc · 06-01-2003, 08:58 AM

Sverre, Judging by the stitching holes between the belt loops and the fact that the back panel of the holster does not cover the mag pouch, My best guess is that this was originally a 1918 Artillery holster that was later reworked to a PO8 type for the Police. There should be additional unused stitching holes running down the right side, below the mag pouch, from where the LPO8 cleaning rod pouch was removed. This would lead me to believe that it was made by Deutsche Sighalflaggen-Fabrik of Karsruhe/Berlin TH

sverre · 06-01-2003, 09:27 AM

yes it has stitchingholes under the mag, and when i look at the stamp inside with Deutsche Signhalflaggen-Fabrik of Karsruhe/Berlin i the back of my head, i can see that this is what it is. are the value the same? and how common are these holsters?

sverre

RockinWR · 06-01-2003, 01:37 PM

Sverre/TH,
* TH..the range of your insight and experience is truely amazing. Great detective work and/or memory!!
* Coupled with Tom's observation, the flap is sown to the body using an intermediate, attaching strip of leather consistent with WW1 style/vintage holsters.
* Stating the obvious, then, the original 19?8 date is likely 1918.
* IMO, as a general rule of thumb, a Police holster will command approximately 20% above a standard Army style holster of equal condition. A Weimar rework of a WW1 Artillery to Police use is not a common holster seen; but, similarly, not a rare holster. Although correct, the extra rework holes detract from the overall appearance and has to be factored into the basic realistic market price expected.
* My 2 cents.
Bob

sverre · 06-01-2003, 01:47 PM

thanks for the help guys i really appreciate it!

Sverre.

05-31-2003, 04:39 PM	#1
sverre User Join Date: May 2003 Location: Norway Posts: 48 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	police holster? can somebody tell me something about this police holster? on the back it says P.B and S.B.5532 9631 and inside the flap it is stamped: deutche s?????en fabrik ka???ruhe 1,b 19?8 here are some pics. http://boards.rennlist.com/lfupload/back.JPG http://boards.rennlist.com/lfupload/backstamps.JPG http://boards.rennlist.com/lfupload/frontside.JPG all info will be very helpful. mvh.Sverre

05-31-2003, 07:08 PM	#2
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,916 Thanks: 1,992 Thanked 4,507 Times in 2,081 Posts	Sverre, I can take a stab at it. Generally WW2 Police holsters were made in Berlin, this part makes it look like it says Karlsruhe: deutches?????en fabrik ka???ruhe 1,b Which is very possible. These markings can mean several things, I don't think it is a rework of a military holster. P.B For the police, P.B. does not have an exact match. S.B.5532 & 9631 could mean; S = Schutzpolizie (municipal police force) B = Berlin, the or 9631 5532 would the weapon number Of course it depends on the placement, but I am guessing that the P.B. and then the S.B., were each assigned to a weapon and the holster changed locations, but this is strictly a guess. and inside the flap it is stamped: 19?8 So either 1918, 1928 or 1938, I would guess 1928, although 1938 is also possible. If it was 1918, then the holster should show as a rework, as it was after 1918 that this type of holster was used for the police. Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

05-31-2003, 07:46 PM	#4
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,916 Thanks: 1,992 Thanked 4,507 Times in 2,081 Posts	Police holsters are not as common as Military Holsters, looking on ebay is a good indication, I see them go from $85-$200, depending on who is bidding. Clear marks, brown color (even more value), all add to value. I collect police Lugers, so like these kind of holsters. Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

06-01-2003, 08:58 AM	#5
Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 736 Times in 483 Posts	Sverre, Judging by the stitching holes between the belt loops and the fact that the back panel of the holster does not cover the mag pouch, My best guess is that this was originally a 1918 Artillery holster that was later reworked to a PO8 type for the Police. There should be additional unused stitching holes running down the right side, below the mag pouch, from where the LPO8 cleaning rod pouch was removed. This would lead me to believe that it was made by Deutsche Sighalflaggen-Fabrik of Karsruhe/Berlin TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

05-31-2003, 07:42 PM	#3
sverre User Join Date: May 2003 Location: Norway Posts: 48 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	so this is a holster made for the police in 1928 or in 1938, any ideas about what its worth and how common this holster is? thanks for the help sverre

06-01-2003, 09:27 AM	#6
sverre User Join Date: May 2003 Location: Norway Posts: 48 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	yes it has stitchingholes under the mag, and when i look at the stamp inside with Deutsche Signhalflaggen-Fabrik of Karsruhe/Berlin i the back of my head, i can see that this is what it is. are the value the same? and how common are these holsters? sverre

06-01-2003, 01:37 PM	#7
RockinWR User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: D/FW, Tx Posts: 279 Thanks: 109 Thanked 31 Times in 16 Posts	Sverre/TH, * TH..the range of your insight and experience is truely amazing. Great detective work and/or memory!! * Coupled with Tom's observation, the flap is sown to the body using an intermediate, attaching strip of leather consistent with WW1 style/vintage holsters. * Stating the obvious, then, the original 19?8 date is likely 1918. * IMO, as a general rule of thumb, a Police holster will command approximately 20% above a standard Army style holster of equal condition. A Weimar rework of a WW1 Artillery to Police use is not a common holster seen; but, similarly, not a rare holster. Although correct, the extra rework holes detract from the overall appearance and has to be factored into the basic realistic market price expected. * My 2 cents. Bob

06-01-2003, 01:47 PM	#8
sverre User Join Date: May 2003 Location: Norway Posts: 48 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	thanks for the help guys i really appreciate it! Sverre.