Lugers - What if Kerry wins

Brent B. · 11-02-2004, 12:24 PM

I was wondering if anyone had information on how Kerry might be on firearms collectors such as ourselves. I was looking for an old post where someone had written that if he's elected it could turn our collections into scrap. I live in Ohio and am pleased to say I saw earlier today where Ohio is leaning for President Bush.

Edward Tinker · 11-02-2004, 12:40 PM

He hasn't said anything specific like that, that I can contribute directly to him.

He surprisingly said that he was pro hunting and he stated that "categorically" he would not touch the 2nd Amendment while in office".

That can be taken as a campaign promise, so...

Ed

marine kabar · 11-02-2004, 12:42 PM

I really don't see John Kerry as anti gun as the NRA makes him out to be. Granted, he's not as pro gun as Bush and he would renew the "assault gun" ban but I don't believe he wants to totally abolish guns. Now if somebody such as Hillary Clinton ever gets into the White House we are in trouble.

Greg

Roadkill · 11-02-2004, 12:57 PM

John Kerry is, always has been and will continue to be a political prostitute of the highest order. His charge for services are votes. Pay the most votes, recieve the requested service on demand. Don't think for a damn minute that there are any safe or sacred objects (Lugers) if there is a compensation for him involved. To the antis the only difference between a Luger and a Glock is, well there isn't one. Both are high capacity, automatic, concealable, military developed, man killer military round, no good for hunting,and good only for murdering innocent bystanders. He is like a hooker on a well known street corner. Drive up, flash the cash, he'll go for the ride. He is like a window pane. No soul, no depth, no substance, easily shattered, and reflects whatever light is projected on him.

I'm Randall Grady and I approve this message.

Rk

John Sabato · 11-02-2004, 01:02 PM

<img border="0" alt="[soapbox]" title="" src="graemlins/soapbox.gif" /> Greg, don't be so naive to think that all Kerry wanted to do is the re-instate the Clinton Assault Rifle Ban... it was a bad piece of legislation and he is too ignorant to take the time to know that it had absolutely no effect on crime or gun sales... it only inconvenienced gun owners from having the "cosmetic" evil features on the semi-auto rifles they bought until the ban was lifted. When do you think was the last time Kerry went hunting when it wasn't a photo opportunity in a "battleground" state?

Making the AWB permanent wasn't supported in Congress because most politicians figured out it was bad legislation and it was an election year. Given the chance, the liberals will not only re-instate the ban, they will tighten it to include things that also have no effect on crime... For all we know, the next ban will be on ex-military weapons like LUGERS... after all, they hold no inherent sporting use... Don't swallow their agenda if you want your heirs to have the same privileges that you enjoy now...

They will remove our "rights" one bite at a time...because they could never be successful in grabbing them all at once. Just look at the history in Australia, and England... the "slippery slope" is not a theory... it is a proven concept...

The second amendment is the ONLY amendment that guarantees that the other amendments will exist for our posterity... IF they manage to dismantle that one, there are NO guarantees...

< SOAP BOX MODE - OFF >

policeluger · 11-02-2004, 01:02 PM

Amen!

John Sabato · 11-02-2004, 01:05 PM

Amen! Amen RK!

Thor · 11-02-2004, 02:00 PM

Well said Randall! Well said!

jamese · 11-02-2004, 02:01 PM

RK,
How do you really feel about the guy......

Strider · 11-02-2004, 02:16 PM

RK and JS,
Bravo!
Sid.

Brent B. · 11-02-2004, 03:07 PM

Thank you,I'm really glad to see all the replies. I just took a little time off to pick up the wife and go vote for someone I know cares about gun owners.

The AWB was a joke but they sure tried to turn it against President Bush like it was the worst possible thing he could have done.

I remember when Clinton got elected I stocked up on ammo and reloading supplies in case he tried to ban ammunition and I might just stock up again if the worst happens.

I had a good laugh the way Roadkill ended his message and John did a great job on the soapbox!

Thanks, Brent B

G.T. · 11-02-2004, 03:30 PM

Hey RK! Don't sugar coat it like that!!! How do you really feel..... better tell me in a private post though... safer that way! <img border="0" alt="[jumper]" title="" src="graemlins/jumper.gif" /> Best to you RK, and I echo your post! Til...lat'r....GT <img border="0" alt="[jumper]" title="" src="graemlins/jumper.gif" />

tracyp · 11-02-2004, 03:54 PM

Kerry stance on guns bothers me, but what's it going to say to the world when we pull out of Iraq. I guess we're back to the Vietnam syndrome. This will increase terrosim because the terrorist know we won't stand up for anything. Today maybe a changing point in America and I'm not sure it's for the better.

Just one more thing. Why does the media report early exit polls? Wait until all of votes have been counted.

Of course this is just my opinion.

Tracy

pipeman45 · 11-02-2004, 04:18 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by marine kabar:
I really don't see John Kerry as anti gun as the NRA makes him out to be. Granted, he's not as pro gun as Bush and he would renew the "assault gun" ban but I don't believe he wants to totally abolish guns. Now if somebody such as Hillary Clinton ever gets into the White House we are in trouble.

Greg<hr /></blockquote>I'm sorry you feel that way. If you will just take the time to look up his voteing record in the senate you will find there has never been a anti-gun bill that he didn't support. I remember this joker from the 60's. I wouldn't walk across the street to p*** on him if he was on fire!

marine kabar · 11-02-2004, 04:32 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by John Sabato:
 <img border="0" alt="[soapbox]" title="" src="graemlins/soapbox.gif" /> Greg, don't be so naive to think that all Kerry wanted to do is the re-instate the Clinton Assault Rifle Ban... it was a bad piece of legislation and he is too ignorant to take the time to know that it had absolutely no effect on crime or gun sales... it only inconvenienced gun owners from having the "cosmetic" evil features on the semi-auto rifles they bought until the ban was lifted. When do you think was the last time Kerry went hunting when it wasn't a photo opportunity in a "battleground" state?

< SOAP BOX MODE - OFF ><hr /></blockquote>JOhn

I totally agree re the AWB legislation and as for politicians....I don't trust any of them. Not even George Bush, not John Kerry, and certainly not Ralph Nader who only runs so that he can get publicity for his personal agendas. But right now there are a lot of serious issues facing Americans and 2nd amendment rights, while important to me as a long time NRA member are not the only things we need to concern ourselves with. But this being a gun forum I'll get off the soap box and shut up.

Edward Tinker · 11-02-2004, 04:45 PM

yup

11-02-2004, 12:24 PM	#1
Brent B. User Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 176 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Lugers - What if Kerry wins I was wondering if anyone had information on how Kerry might be on firearms collectors such as ourselves. I was looking for an old post where someone had written that if he's elected it could turn our collections into scrap. I live in Ohio and am pleased to say I saw earlier today where Ohio is leaning for President Bush.

11-02-2004, 12:40 PM	#2
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,960 Thanks: 2,062 Thanked 4,592 Times in 2,114 Posts	He hasn't said anything specific like that, that I can contribute directly to him. He surprisingly said that he was pro hunting and he stated that "categorically" he would not touch the 2nd Amendment while in office". That can be taken as a campaign promise, so... Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

11-02-2004, 01:02 PM	#5
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,155 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,308 Times in 1,098 Posts	<img border="0" alt="[soapbox]" title="" src="graemlins/soapbox.gif" /> Greg, don't be so naive to think that all Kerry wanted to do is the re-instate the Clinton Assault Rifle Ban... it was a bad piece of legislation and he is too ignorant to take the time to know that it had absolutely no effect on crime or gun sales... it only inconvenienced gun owners from having the "cosmetic" evil features on the semi-auto rifles they bought until the ban was lifted. When do you think was the last time Kerry went hunting when it wasn't a photo opportunity in a "battleground" state? Making the AWB permanent wasn't supported in Congress because most politicians figured out it was bad legislation and it was an election year. Given the chance, the liberals will not only re-instate the ban, they will tighten it to include things that also have no effect on crime... For all we know, the next ban will be on ex-military weapons like LUGERS... after all, they hold no inherent sporting use... Don't swallow their agenda if you want your heirs to have the same privileges that you enjoy now... They will remove our "rights" one bite at a time...because they could never be successful in grabbing them all at once. Just look at the history in Australia, and England... the "slippery slope" is not a theory... it is a proven concept... The second amendment is the ONLY amendment that guarantees that the other amendments will exist for our posterity... IF they manage to dismantle that one, there are NO guarantees... < SOAP BOX MODE - OFF > __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

11-02-2004, 01:05 PM	#7
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,155 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,308 Times in 1,098 Posts	Amen! Amen RK! __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

11-02-2004, 02:00 PM	#8
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	Well said Randall! Well said! __________________ Thor's Luger Clinic http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/ Ted Green (Thor Yaller Boots) 725 Western Hills Dr SE, Rio Rancho, NM 87124 915-526-8925 Email thor340@aol.com ----------------------------------- John3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

11-02-2004, 12:42 PM	#3
marine kabar User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Powder Springs GA Posts: 108 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I really don't see John Kerry as anti gun as the NRA makes him out to be. Granted, he's not as pro gun as Bush and he would renew the "assault gun" ban but I don't believe he wants to totally abolish guns. Now if somebody such as Hillary Clinton ever gets into the White House we are in trouble. Greg

11-02-2004, 12:57 PM	#4
Roadkill User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,634 Thanks: 1 Thanked 28 Times in 17 Posts	John Kerry is, always has been and will continue to be a political prostitute of the highest order. His charge for services are votes. Pay the most votes, recieve the requested service on demand. Don't think for a damn minute that there are any safe or sacred objects (Lugers) if there is a compensation for him involved. To the antis the only difference between a Luger and a Glock is, well there isn't one. Both are high capacity, automatic, concealable, military developed, man killer military round, no good for hunting,and good only for murdering innocent bystanders. He is like a hooker on a well known street corner. Drive up, flash the cash, he'll go for the ride. He is like a window pane. No soul, no depth, no substance, easily shattered, and reflects whatever light is projected on him. I'm Randall Grady and I approve this message. Rk

11-02-2004, 01:02 PM	#6
policeluger RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ca. Posts: 2,141 Thanks: 8 Thanked 89 Times in 54 Posts	Amen!

11-02-2004, 02:01 PM	#9
jamese User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: South Florida Posts: 792 Thanks: 0 Thanked 86 Times in 36 Posts	RK, How do you really feel about the guy...... __________________ The "truth" is a matter of Perception

11-02-2004, 02:16 PM	#10
Strider User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Albuquerque, New Mexico Posts: 256 Thanks: 26 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	RK and JS, Bravo! Sid. __________________ Sid. Patience is a bitter plant, but it has sweet fruit. ~German Proverb If it is made before 1930 ..........It is a prototype.

11-02-2004, 03:07 PM	#11
Brent B. User Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 176 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thank you,I'm really glad to see all the replies. I just took a little time off to pick up the wife and go vote for someone I know cares about gun owners. The AWB was a joke but they sure tried to turn it against President Bush like it was the worst possible thing he could have done. I remember when Clinton got elected I stocked up on ammo and reloading supplies in case he tried to ban ammunition and I might just stock up again if the worst happens. I had a good laugh the way Roadkill ended his message and John did a great job on the soapbox! Thanks, Brent B

11-02-2004, 03:30 PM	#12
G.T. Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Chandler Arizona Posts: 3,523 Thanks: 1,321 Thanked 3,707 Times in 1,012 Posts	Hey RK! Don't sugar coat it like that!!! How do you really feel..... better tell me in a private post though... safer that way! <img border="0" alt="[jumper]" title="" src="graemlins/jumper.gif" /> Best to you RK, and I echo your post! Til...lat'r....GT <img border="0" alt="[jumper]" title="" src="graemlins/jumper.gif" />

11-02-2004, 03:54 PM	#13
tracyp User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Peoples Republic of Kalifornia Posts: 391 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Kerry stance on guns bothers me, but what's it going to say to the world when we pull out of Iraq. I guess we're back to the Vietnam syndrome. This will increase terrosim because the terrorist know we won't stand up for anything. Today maybe a changing point in America and I'm not sure it's for the better. Just one more thing. Why does the media report early exit polls? Wait until all of votes have been counted. Of course this is just my opinion. Tracy

11-02-2004, 04:18 PM	#14
pipeman45 User Join Date: May 2004 Location: Kentucky Posts: 539 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Originally posted by marine kabar: <strong>I really don't see John Kerry as anti gun as the NRA makes him out to be. Granted, he's not as pro gun as Bush and he would renew the "assault gun" ban but I don't believe he wants to totally abolish guns. Now if somebody such as Hillary Clinton ever gets into the White House we are in trouble. Greg</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">I'm sorry you feel that way. If you will just take the time to look up his voteing record in the senate you will find there has never been a anti-gun bill that he didn't support. I remember this joker from the 60's. I wouldn't walk across the street to p*** on him if he was on fire! __________________ Dave

11-02-2004, 04:32 PM	#15
marine kabar User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Powder Springs GA Posts: 108 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Originally posted by John Sabato: <strong> <img border="0" alt="[soapbox]" title="" src="graemlins/soapbox.gif" /> Greg, don't be so naive to think that all Kerry wanted to do is the re-instate the Clinton Assault Rifle Ban... it was a bad piece of legislation and he is too ignorant to take the time to know that it had absolutely no effect on crime or gun sales... it only inconvenienced gun owners from having the "cosmetic" evil features on the semi-auto rifles they bought until the ban was lifted. When do you think was the last time Kerry went hunting when it wasn't a photo opportunity in a "battleground" state? < SOAP BOX MODE - OFF ></strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">JOhn I totally agree re the AWB legislation and as for politicians....I don't trust any of them. Not even George Bush, not John Kerry, and certainly not Ralph Nader who only runs so that he can get publicity for his personal agendas. But right now there are a lot of serious issues facing Americans and 2nd amendment rights, while important to me as a long time NRA member are not the only things we need to concern ourselves with. But this being a gun forum I'll get off the soap box and shut up.

11-02-2004, 04:45 PM	#16
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,960 Thanks: 2,062 Thanked 4,592 Times in 2,114 Posts	yup __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV