Help on the FAQ

Edward Tinker · 10-03-2002, 12:10 PM

Hello, I have received some help on updating and adding some information to the FAQ, but wanted some help and infromation on these two topics:

"What are the proper grips for my byf 41 or 42 pistol?"

"How can you tell if the plastic grips on my Mauser Luger are real or fake?"

Any other topics you would like to comment on and add to the FAQ are welcomed [img]smile.gif[/img]

Please email to mailto:66mustang@palouse.com66mustang@palouse.com</a>

Ed

Frank · 10-03-2002, 12:22 PM

Ed, big bad John Sabato was on the trail of the real or fake plastic grips about 3 months ago. He never completed his study. I have several "real" grips that may add to the study when John decides he wants to pursue it!!!

<img src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" border="0" alt="[cheers]" />

Edward Tinker · 10-03-2002, 01:42 PM

Great, didn't forget about that, was hoping to jar some paragraphs of wisdom loose [img]biggrin.gif[/img] Knew they were doing an in-depth study on that, was hoping that little bits might make sense to forum members.

[img]smile.gif[/img]

John Sabato · 10-03-2002, 03:08 PM

"big bad" John? I thought he died many years ago in a mining accident Frank, [img]biggrin.gif[/img] or at least that's what I remember hearing Jimmy Dean say ... I used to hear that song a lot considering that my family roots includes coal mining in southern VA and WV...

As far as the study on real/fake "Black Widow" grips goes... Luke Smithwick and I were collecting good photographs of known good grips and a couple of bad ones... The article just hasn't been finished because Luke and I have had our hands full of other things to do (especially me since this new forum format was implemented) but I hope to get back to it sometime this fall if Luke is available to help.

I will keep a note of who has genuine grips that we can use as part of the study and you in particular will be contacted when we are ready...

I will probably make an announcement on the forum requesting photographic input at that time as well.

For Ed Tinker... as far as what to do in the updated FAQ regarding the question on these types of grips? Just leave a space and put "answer pending" for now...

Frank · 10-04-2002, 01:05 AM

OK, "Little" John, sounds like a plan. I have two sets, that have the same characteristics, so if you want photos, just let me know!! [img]wink.gif[/img]

Frank · 10-04-2002, 11:03 AM

Big Bad Little John!! I forgot to mention I bought a pair of Kalifornia Fakes for my Black Widow Shooter. They look very authentic from the outside, but no screw holes on the inside. I'll make a jpg for you when you get ready!!

<img src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" border="0" alt="[cheers]" />

Edward Tinker · 10-04-2002, 11:43 PM

Sounds good, now Big Bad John, I always liked that song, and Little John, isn't he a merry man of some infamous group?

[img]biggrin.gif[/img]

Edward Tinker · 10-08-2002, 01:43 AM

So, a couple of friends have helped out, (thanks Brandon and Doubs!) and given me ideas, there is a wealth of information right here on the forum, I just need ideas to look things up [img]biggrin.gif[/img]

Here are the topics I have answered so far from the forum:

1. Who has manufacturered LugerÃ¢??s?
2. Numbers of .45 Lugers??
3. Numbers of 1900 AE, 1902 AE, & 1906 AE made
4. What are Import Markings?
5. What are machine markings?
6. Artillery Notching
7. How to tell cold bluing:
8. What is Soot Lifting?:
9. What are bring back papers?
10. What does the Crown over RC stamp mean?
11. Proper Grips on a BYF 41?
12. Proper Grips on a BYF 42?

So, there must be questions you had when you were young at collecting Lugers? Or others had that you remember, that ought to be added?

Why do Armadillos lie in the road? Hugh, ask me later about this true story about an dillo and me going to PT one morning around 5:30 and he crossed the road....

Dwight Gruber · 10-08-2002, 02:26 AM

Ed, here are some topics which have occurred to me in the last ten minutes or so.

Where does "Parabellum" come from?
What is boosting? faking?
How do you tell the difference between an Erfurt and a DWM magazine shell?
How do you tell the difference between rust blue and salt blue?
How do you tell if a Luger has been re-blued?
What is the Simichrome test?
We need a commonly agreed-upon photographic portrayal of finish condition (% determination).
We need a bibliography in one place, perhaps with brief reviews.

I'll let the parts breakage survey simmer for a couple of weeks and then collate it and send it to you for inclusion--

So, anybody who hasn't fessed up to breaking parts while shooting, there's still time!

--Dwight

policeluger · 10-08-2002, 10:07 AM

"how do you tell the difference between a rust blue and a salt blue"....well I think the best example I can come up with, is the 7.65 and the 7.65 cross outs. WOL page 204, proof 166 states that the .30 cal barrel was rebored to a 9mm. However, the it has been determined that the original .30 cal barrels were take off and new 9mm barrels placed on. This make sence as to rebore a barrel would not, I believe be cost affective. So looking at a true 7.65 gun you can see the differences, though slight....hope this helps

Edward Tinker · 10-08-2002, 06:56 PM

Got it esteemed sir.

And I didn't even have to get the English to 'merican dictionary out [img]biggrin.gif[/img]

10-03-2002, 12:10 PM	#1
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,962 Thanks: 2,063 Thanked 4,592 Times in 2,114 Posts	Help on the FAQ Hello, I have received some help on updating and adding some information to the FAQ, but wanted some help and infromation on these two topics: "What are the proper grips for my byf 41 or 42 pistol?" "How can you tell if the plastic grips on my Mauser Luger are real or fake?" Any other topics you would like to comment on and add to the FAQ are welcomed [img]smile.gif[/img] Please email to mailto:66mustang@palouse.com66mustang@palouse.com</a> Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

10-03-2002, 01:42 PM	#3
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,962 Thanks: 2,063 Thanked 4,592 Times in 2,114 Posts	Great, didn't forget about that, was hoping to jar some paragraphs of wisdom loose [img]biggrin.gif[/img] Knew they were doing an in-depth study on that, was hoping that little bits might make sense to forum members. [img]smile.gif[/img] __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

10-03-2002, 03:08 PM	#4
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,155 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,308 Times in 1,098 Posts	"big bad" John? I thought he died many years ago in a mining accident Frank, [img]biggrin.gif[/img] or at least that's what I remember hearing Jimmy Dean say ... I used to hear that song a lot considering that my family roots includes coal mining in southern VA and WV... As far as the study on real/fake "Black Widow" grips goes... Luke Smithwick and I were collecting good photographs of known good grips and a couple of bad ones... The article just hasn't been finished because Luke and I have had our hands full of other things to do (especially me since this new forum format was implemented) but I hope to get back to it sometime this fall if Luke is available to help. I will keep a note of who has genuine grips that we can use as part of the study and you in particular will be contacted when we are ready... I will probably make an announcement on the forum requesting photographic input at that time as well. For Ed Tinker... as far as what to do in the updated FAQ regarding the question on these types of grips? Just leave a space and put "answer pending" for now... __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

10-04-2002, 11:43 PM	#7
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,962 Thanks: 2,063 Thanked 4,592 Times in 2,114 Posts	Sounds good, now Big Bad John, I always liked that song, and Little John, isn't he a merry man of some infamous group? [img]biggrin.gif[/img] __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

10-08-2002, 01:43 AM	#8
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,962 Thanks: 2,063 Thanked 4,592 Times in 2,114 Posts	So, a couple of friends have helped out, (thanks Brandon and Doubs!) and given me ideas, there is a wealth of information right here on the forum, I just need ideas to look things up [img]biggrin.gif[/img] Here are the topics I have answered so far from the forum: 1. Who has manufacturered LugerÃ¢??s? 2. Numbers of .45 Lugers?? 3. Numbers of 1900 AE, 1902 AE, & 1906 AE made 4. What are Import Markings? 5. What are machine markings? 6. Artillery Notching 7. How to tell cold bluing: 8. What is Soot Lifting?: 9. What are bring back papers? 10. What does the Crown over RC stamp mean? 11. Proper Grips on a BYF 41? 12. Proper Grips on a BYF 42? So, there must be questions you had when you were young at collecting Lugers? Or others had that you remember, that ought to be added? Why do Armadillos lie in the road? Hugh, ask me later about this true story about an dillo and me going to PT one morning around 5:30 and he crossed the road.... __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

10-03-2002, 12:22 PM	#2
Frank RIP Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hot & Dry PHX, AZ Posts: 2,078 Thanks: 24 Thanked 164 Times in 87 Posts	Ed, big bad John Sabato was on the trail of the real or fake plastic grips about 3 months ago. He never completed his study. I have several "real" grips that may add to the study when John decides he wants to pursue it!!! <img src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" border="0" alt="[cheers]" />

10-04-2002, 01:05 AM	#5
Frank RIP Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hot & Dry PHX, AZ Posts: 2,078 Thanks: 24 Thanked 164 Times in 87 Posts	OK, "Little" John, sounds like a plan. I have two sets, that have the same characteristics, so if you want photos, just let me know!! [img]wink.gif[/img]

10-04-2002, 11:03 AM	#6
Frank RIP Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hot & Dry PHX, AZ Posts: 2,078 Thanks: 24 Thanked 164 Times in 87 Posts	Big Bad Little John!! I forgot to mention I bought a pair of Kalifornia Fakes for my Black Widow Shooter. They look very authentic from the outside, but no screw holes on the inside. I'll make a jpg for you when you get ready!! <img src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" border="0" alt="[cheers]" />

10-08-2002, 02:26 AM	#9
Dwight Gruber User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,908 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1,330 Times in 435 Posts	Ed, here are some topics which have occurred to me in the last ten minutes or so. Where does "Parabellum" come from? What is boosting? faking? How do you tell the difference between an Erfurt and a DWM magazine shell? How do you tell the difference between rust blue and salt blue? How do you tell if a Luger has been re-blued? What is the Simichrome test? We need a commonly agreed-upon photographic portrayal of finish condition (% determination). We need a bibliography in one place, perhaps with brief reviews. I'll let the parts breakage survey simmer for a couple of weeks and then collate it and send it to you for inclusion-- So, anybody who hasn't fessed up to breaking parts while shooting, there's still time! --Dwight

10-08-2002, 10:07 AM	#10
policeluger RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Ca. Posts: 2,141 Thanks: 8 Thanked 89 Times in 54 Posts	"how do you tell the difference between a rust blue and a salt blue"....well I think the best example I can come up with, is the 7.65 and the 7.65 cross outs. WOL page 204, proof 166 states that the .30 cal barrel was rebored to a 9mm. However, the it has been determined that the original .30 cal barrels were take off and new 9mm barrels placed on. This make sence as to rebore a barrel would not, I believe be cost affective. So looking at a true 7.65 gun you can see the differences, though slight....hope this helps

10-08-2002, 06:56 PM	#11
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,962 Thanks: 2,063 Thanked 4,592 Times in 2,114 Posts	Got it esteemed sir. And I didn't even have to get the English to 'merican dictionary out [img]biggrin.gif[/img] __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV