Photos of the New Baby

Frank · 08-26-2004, 12:07 PM

Well finally!! The first photo is of the "Swan" & "Baby" to show the relative proportions. Both Lugers were finished by Thor, have grips by Hugh and Magazine bottoms by GT.

This is a slant view of the left side showing the chamber marking.

Straight on view of the left side.

Straight on view of the right side.

Detail of the chamber engraving.

Finally, the detail of the rear toggle engraving.

Hope you enjoy them. I'll keep you posted on the results of the range test, as soon as the weather cools down a bit in Arizona.

John Sabato · 08-26-2004, 12:46 PM

Great Photos of Great Lugers Frank!

Frank · 08-29-2004, 12:34 PM

Hey JS, glad you like them. Both are very special to me. The Swan is my first Luger, which I bought about 30 years ago. It was a pretty beat up shooter until Thor fixed it up for me.

lugerholsterrepair · 09-01-2004, 12:48 PM

Frank, Pretty sweet pistolas amigo! I like the chamber marking! Thor is the best at this sort of refurbishing. He does a really great job...Jerry Burney

Ron Smith · 09-01-2004, 01:30 PM

Frank, Neato! That is a really nice set of Lugers. How long did you have to wait for the Baby?
Ron

John Sabato · 09-01-2004, 01:45 PM

Frank can probably figure out how long the wait period was... many months I am sure since it was custom work, but if Frank answers you without calculating it... his answer would probably be an 'ETERNITY'...

Ron Wood · 09-01-2004, 08:59 PM

Frank,
That baby is flat outstanding! The chamber engraving is a touch of class (but that is no less than what one would expect from a gentleman such as yourself). Your team that assembled this piece have done themselves proud. You are very fortunate. My sincerest congratuations.

Frank · 09-01-2004, 09:36 PM

To Jerry and The Rons: Thanks much for the comments! I am very proud of this "Little" addition. Yes, the "Guys" did a SUPER bit of craftsmanship for me. I hope someday you can see it in person!!

<img border="0" alt="[thumbsup]" title="" src="graemlins/bigok.gif" />

JS, eternity is pretty close!!

lugerholsterrepair · 09-01-2004, 11:23 PM

Frank, surprising that you would mention seeing it in person. Your fondest hope can be fullfilled! If you will send it to me I will look it over for a while and get it back to you.....How's it shoot? Jerry Burney

Frank · 09-02-2004, 09:46 AM

Jerry, very funny <img border="0" alt="[hiha]" title="" src="graemlins/roflmao.gif" />

To see it in person will require you to come to it, not the other way around!!

I haven't shot it yet. Sort of waiting for the temperature to get a little bit lower. I'll give you a report as soon as I have taken it for a walk!!

Ron Smith · 09-02-2004, 10:11 AM

Jerry, Send me a couple of your best Lugers. I've got a hacksaw , bastard file,and a propane torch. I can make us each one. You'll have to make your own grips and buy the cold blue. <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" />

Ron

zinzan · 11-30-2005, 12:30 AM

I am really happy for you and your beautiful grips. I would advise you to keep them in a 1 to 1 mixture of baby powder and dry corn meal. The ancient Egyptins used this formula to preserve duck livers and truffles for the royal court in times of short supply. More recently we have discovered that I have no idea what I am talking about and I still need help with my jamming problem.
I am the new guy who posted a thread and was moved to the new guy forum (ZINZAN). I want the gun to fire an entire magazine without trouble more than anythiing. I am an experienced shooter (mainly rifles) and you can be sure that I am not "limp wristing" the pistol. Thankyou for putting up with me

Yours in Christ,
Timothy

Edward Tinker · 11-30-2005, 08:38 AM

Tim, your thread was moved to the new collectors forum, not you

You can post on any part of the forum, but if I see something that doesn't fit (i.e. you posted in the tech help section if I remember correctly, I will then move it to what I feel is the appropriate part of the forum

)

Ed

Thor · 11-30-2005, 12:01 PM

I would also like to include STRIDER in this discussion and let everyone know he did the art work that Frank asked for as to the chambering and toggle markings. He was a big help to me on Frank's Baby and the I agree the chamber marking is such a nice classy addition to a fine Baby Luger. Bill Adair did the actual engraving work. I am happy to see Frank showing the Baby Luger off.

Pete Ebbink · 12-05-2005, 11:54 AM

I like how the "Mf" motif was taken from the M2 Portuguese chamber markings...very clever work.

Does Bill Adair do such engraving free-hand or is he using CAD-aided engraving machines...???

Frank,

1. Your Baby looks like it has the original "polished" thumb safety area and short frame/receiver. Might I ask what donor gun this was...?

2. What are the letters of the rear toggle tang engraving..."H C"...is that for Hugh Clark...?

Thor · 12-05-2005, 12:59 PM

Dont mean to horn in, but I dont think Frank knows the answer to your first question, though I am postive he knows the answer to the second. Bill Adair can write clear text that is so small you have to have a magnifying glass to read it, it is that small. He does NOT use CAD machines and has even made some of his own equipment. He does his work with hand guided implements which is darn amazing to me. I dont think he would want me to go much farther with his equipment info. Frank had this great idea about the use of the Portuguese Logo and it worked out terrific. Frank was VERY exact on how he wanted it done and Strider went through quite a few iterations of the logo before it was approved for engraving. A very very nice Luger and very well worth the effort and expense. A quality monogram like this really is classy in my opinion. I would also like to thank Bill Adair, he took me under his wing as far as my getting my business started and taught me a lot. He is a quality fellow and a good friend.
The donor gun came to me with a blued looking safety area and we left that look. The safety area has a two step milled out area, not a smooth single level. The upper area is the deepest with the lower area near the pivot point of the thumb safety being less deep, analogous to a two level swimming pool.

Frank · 12-05-2005, 08:54 PM

Hi Guys, Thor, thanks for the help!! If you look at a previous post "The Baby has Arrived", I mentioned that Strider did the chamber marking artwork. Sorry it was missed in this post.

The Luger started life as a Bulgarian which had been polished and reworked. When I got it it was a shooter in the first degree.

Yes, "HC" stands for Good Ole Hugh!!!

08-26-2004, 12:07 PM	#1
Frank RIP Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hot & Dry PHX, AZ Posts: 2,078 Thanks: 24 Thanked 164 Times in 87 Posts	Photos of the New Baby Well finally!! The first photo is of the "Swan" & "Baby" to show the relative proportions. Both Lugers were finished by Thor, have grips by Hugh and Magazine bottoms by GT. This is a slant view of the left side showing the chamber marking. Straight on view of the left side. Straight on view of the right side. Detail of the chamber engraving. Finally, the detail of the rear toggle engraving. Hope you enjoy them. I'll keep you posted on the results of the range test, as soon as the weather cools down a bit in Arizona.

08-26-2004, 12:46 PM	#2
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,155 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,308 Times in 1,098 Posts	Great Photos of Great Lugers Frank! __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

09-01-2004, 12:48 PM	#4
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,775 Thanks: 4,995 Thanked 3,132 Times in 1,439 Posts	Frank, Pretty sweet pistolas amigo! I like the chamber marking! Thor is the best at this sort of refurbishing. He does a really great job...Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

09-01-2004, 01:30 PM	#5
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Frank, Neato! That is a really nice set of Lugers. How long did you have to wait for the Baby? Ron __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

09-01-2004, 01:45 PM	#6
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,155 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,308 Times in 1,098 Posts	Frank can probably figure out how long the wait period was... many months I am sure since it was custom work, but if Frank answers you without calculating it... his answer would probably be an 'ETERNITY'... __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

08-29-2004, 12:34 PM	#3
Frank RIP Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hot & Dry PHX, AZ Posts: 2,078 Thanks: 24 Thanked 164 Times in 87 Posts	Hey JS, glad you like them. Both are very special to me. The Swan is my first Luger, which I bought about 30 years ago. It was a pretty beat up shooter until Thor fixed it up for me.

09-01-2004, 08:59 PM	#7
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,034 Thanks: 1,106 Thanked 5,239 Times in 1,718 Posts	Frank, That baby is flat outstanding! The chamber engraving is a touch of class (but that is no less than what one would expect from a gentleman such as yourself). Your team that assembled this piece have done themselves proud. You are very fortunate. My sincerest congratuations. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

09-01-2004, 09:36 PM	#8
Frank RIP Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hot & Dry PHX, AZ Posts: 2,078 Thanks: 24 Thanked 164 Times in 87 Posts	To Jerry and The Rons: Thanks much for the comments! I am very proud of this "Little" addition. Yes, the "Guys" did a SUPER bit of craftsmanship for me. I hope someday you can see it in person!! <img border="0" alt="[thumbsup]" title="" src="graemlins/bigok.gif" /> JS, eternity is pretty close!!

09-01-2004, 11:23 PM	#9
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,775 Thanks: 4,995 Thanked 3,132 Times in 1,439 Posts	Frank, surprising that you would mention seeing it in person. Your fondest hope can be fullfilled! If you will send it to me I will look it over for a while and get it back to you.....How's it shoot? Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

09-02-2004, 09:46 AM	#10
Frank RIP Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hot & Dry PHX, AZ Posts: 2,078 Thanks: 24 Thanked 164 Times in 87 Posts	Jerry, very funny <img border="0" alt="[hiha]" title="" src="graemlins/roflmao.gif" /> To see it in person will require you to come to it, not the other way around!! I haven't shot it yet. Sort of waiting for the temperature to get a little bit lower. I'll give you a report as soon as I have taken it for a walk!!

09-02-2004, 10:11 AM	#11
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Jerry, Send me a couple of your best Lugers. I've got a hacksaw , bastard file,and a propane torch. I can make us each one. You'll have to make your own grips and buy the cold blue. <img border="0" alt="[cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/beerchug.gif" /> Ron __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

11-30-2005, 12:30 AM	#12
zinzan User Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Saint Louis Posts: 7 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I am really happy for you and your beautiful grips. I would advise you to keep them in a 1 to 1 mixture of baby powder and dry corn meal. The ancient Egyptins used this formula to preserve duck livers and truffles for the royal court in times of short supply. More recently we have discovered that I have no idea what I am talking about and I still need help with my jamming problem. I am the new guy who posted a thread and was moved to the new guy forum (ZINZAN). I want the gun to fire an entire magazine without trouble more than anythiing. I am an experienced shooter (mainly rifles) and you can be sure that I am not "limp wristing" the pistol. Thankyou for putting up with me Yours in Christ, Timothy

11-30-2005, 08:38 AM	#13
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,960 Thanks: 2,062 Thanked 4,591 Times in 2,114 Posts	Tim, your thread was moved to the new collectors forum, not you You can post on any part of the forum, but if I see something that doesn't fit (i.e. you posted in the tech help section if I remember correctly, I will then move it to what I feel is the appropriate part of the forum ) Ed

11-30-2005, 12:01 PM	#14
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	I would also like to include STRIDER in this discussion and let everyone know he did the art work that Frank asked for as to the chambering and toggle markings. He was a big help to me on Frank's Baby and the I agree the chamber marking is such a nice classy addition to a fine Baby Luger. Bill Adair did the actual engraving work. I am happy to see Frank showing the Baby Luger off. __________________ Thor's Luger Clinic http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/ Ted Green (Thor Yaller Boots) 725 Western Hills Dr SE, Rio Rancho, NM 87124 915-526-8925 Email thor340@aol.com ----------------------------------- John3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

12-05-2005, 11:54 AM	#15
Pete Ebbink User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The USA Posts: 5,919 Thanks: 0 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	I like how the "Mf" motif was taken from the M2 Portuguese chamber markings...very clever work. Does Bill Adair do such engraving free-hand or is he using CAD-aided engraving machines...??? Frank, 1. Your Baby looks like it has the original "polished" thumb safety area and short frame/receiver. Might I ask what donor gun this was...? 2. What are the letters of the rear toggle tang engraving..."H C"...is that for Hugh Clark...?

12-05-2005, 12:59 PM	#16
Thor User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Rio Rancho, New Mexico Posts: 4,583 Thanks: 958 Thanked 970 Times in 276 Posts	Dont mean to horn in, but I dont think Frank knows the answer to your first question, though I am postive he knows the answer to the second. Bill Adair can write clear text that is so small you have to have a magnifying glass to read it, it is that small. He does NOT use CAD machines and has even made some of his own equipment. He does his work with hand guided implements which is darn amazing to me. I dont think he would want me to go much farther with his equipment info. Frank had this great idea about the use of the Portuguese Logo and it worked out terrific. Frank was VERY exact on how he wanted it done and Strider went through quite a few iterations of the logo before it was approved for engraving. A very very nice Luger and very well worth the effort and expense. A quality monogram like this really is classy in my opinion. I would also like to thank Bill Adair, he took me under his wing as far as my getting my business started and taught me a lot. He is a quality fellow and a good friend. The donor gun came to me with a blued looking safety area and we left that look. The safety area has a two step milled out area, not a smooth single level. The upper area is the deepest with the lower area near the pivot point of the thumb safety being less deep, analogous to a two level swimming pool. __________________ Thor's Luger Clinic http://members.rennlist.com/lugerman/ Ted Green (Thor Yaller Boots) 725 Western Hills Dr SE, Rio Rancho, NM 87124 915-526-8925 Email thor340@aol.com ----------------------------------- John3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God."

12-05-2005, 08:54 PM	#17
Frank RIP Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hot & Dry PHX, AZ Posts: 2,078 Thanks: 24 Thanked 164 Times in 87 Posts	Hi Guys, Thor, thanks for the help!! If you look at a previous post "The Baby has Arrived", I mentioned that Strider did the chamber marking artwork. Sorry it was missed in this post. The Luger started life as a Bulgarian which had been polished and reworked. When I got it it was a shooter in the first degree. Yes, "HC" stands for Good Ole Hugh!!!