1918 DWM 8" Barrel

Capt Art · 09-05-2004, 06:26 PM

Please help! Considering buying (have not seen). 1918 DWM, WWI, 9mm, 8" barrel, artillery sight on rear, matched 39XX, marked "A. Maurer Dortmund", not sure of spelling on last word. Wants $1200. Would like your opinion. Thanks.

Ron Smith · 09-05-2004, 09:33 PM

Art, Was this the one on Auction Arms for awhile? If so, it's got some pretty heavy rust pits on the corner of the receiver. You might ask for a thorough discription first.

Ron

My mistake. It was on Gunbroker. Looks like a decent Luger. And the pits may not be as bad as they look. I would make him an offer. It's been on GB for quite awhile. He may settle for less.
Ron

Capt Art · 09-05-2004, 10:00 PM

Ron -- It seems he and I have come to terms. I needed to know if it was a real piece. I am assuming the A. Maurer Dortmun is the barrel maker??
Thanks for the reply.

Ron Smith · 09-05-2004, 10:47 PM

Art, Either the barrel maker. Or possibly the gunsmith who built it. German Custom Smiths often put their names on their work.

Ron

Edward Tinker · 09-05-2004, 11:35 PM

Art, and I know this might be obvious, it is more of a shooter than collector, nice piece, but not a true artillery.

Ed

Capt Art · 10-11-2004, 09:29 AM

Ron -- a little late in replying. Did not buy the 8" DWM above. However, and anyone please jump in -- have Erfurt Naval for sometime now and recently found marks I did know existed. In the half circles at the bottom of the grip where the mag finger buttons fit into, there are what seems to be "T" on one side and a "1" above a "K" on the other side. I also have a 1916 Artillery DWM being delivered tomorrow and have a 1908? or 1920? Luger plus others. Would appreciate info on those marks. Thanks

John Sabato · 10-11-2004, 09:55 AM

An ERFURT Navy Luger???

Capt Art · 10-11-2004, 10:29 AM

John --
I assume your saying there is no such beast? May I add the barrel is not marked but says "Allemagil" but appears to have a Crown stamp??, can this be one of the barrel makers previously mentioned? Also are all navys dated?
Thanks, Art

John Sabato · 10-11-2004, 11:56 AM

Capt Art,

To the best of my knowledge, all military issue Navy Lugers were manufactured by DWM... Erfurt did participate in Artillery Luger production, but not Navies as far as I know. Seems your "Erfurt" Navy is the result of either some rework program, or it is a parts gun...

Capt Art · 10-11-2004, 12:06 PM

John --
As I said it is beautiful. It was the first Luger I bought in about 50 years. Good thing I didn't pay big money for it. I paid as much as a rusty mismatched P.08 would bring. I will now start the hunt for a real one to add to my collection. Need an original 1916 Arty holster, any ideas, I have been looking. Thanks, Art

George Anderson · 10-11-2004, 12:30 PM

Art, the chances of finding a 1916 dated artillery holster are not good, damned few if any are known. 1915 dated holsters are far and away the most common and would be quite correct for your pistol.

Capt Art · 10-11-2004, 01:47 PM

Thanks George and thanks Thor for the tip on George Anderson. Will look for a 1915 holster.
Art

09-05-2004, 06:26 PM	#1
Capt Art User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Florida Gulf Coast Posts: 21 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	1918 DWM 8" Barrel Please help! Considering buying (have not seen). 1918 DWM, WWI, 9mm, 8" barrel, artillery sight on rear, matched 39XX, marked "A. Maurer Dortmund", not sure of spelling on last word. Wants $1200. Would like your opinion. Thanks.

09-05-2004, 09:33 PM	#2
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Art, Was this the one on Auction Arms for awhile? If so, it's got some pretty heavy rust pits on the corner of the receiver. You might ask for a thorough discription first. Ron My mistake. It was on Gunbroker. Looks like a decent Luger. And the pits may not be as bad as they look. I would make him an offer. It's been on GB for quite awhile. He may settle for less. Ron __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

09-05-2004, 10:47 PM	#4
Ron Smith User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 4,243 Thanks: 118 Thanked 245 Times in 150 Posts	Art, Either the barrel maker. Or possibly the gunsmith who built it. German Custom Smiths often put their names on their work. Ron __________________ I Still Need DWM side plate #49... if anyone runs across a nice one. What ~Rudyard Kipling~ said...

09-05-2004, 11:35 PM	#5
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,962 Thanks: 2,063 Thanked 4,592 Times in 2,114 Posts	Art, and I know this might be obvious, it is more of a shooter than collector, nice piece, but not a true artillery. Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

10-11-2004, 09:55 AM	#7
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,155 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,308 Times in 1,098 Posts	An ERFURT Navy Luger??? __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

09-05-2004, 10:00 PM	#3
Capt Art User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Florida Gulf Coast Posts: 21 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Ron -- It seems he and I have come to terms. I needed to know if it was a real piece. I am assuming the A. Maurer Dortmun is the barrel maker?? Thanks for the reply.

10-11-2004, 09:29 AM	#6
Capt Art User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Florida Gulf Coast Posts: 21 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Ron -- a little late in replying. Did not buy the 8" DWM above. However, and anyone please jump in -- have Erfurt Naval for sometime now and recently found marks I did know existed. In the half circles at the bottom of the grip where the mag finger buttons fit into, there are what seems to be "T" on one side and a "1" above a "K" on the other side. I also have a 1916 Artillery DWM being delivered tomorrow and have a 1908? or 1920? Luger plus others. Would appreciate info on those marks. Thanks

10-11-2004, 10:29 AM	#8
Capt Art User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Florida Gulf Coast Posts: 21 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	John -- I assume your saying there is no such beast? May I add the barrel is not marked but says "Allemagil" but appears to have a Crown stamp??, can this be one of the barrel makers previously mentioned? Also are all navys dated? Thanks, Art

10-11-2004, 11:56 AM	#9
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,155 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,308 Times in 1,098 Posts	Capt Art, To the best of my knowledge, all military issue Navy Lugers were manufactured by DWM... Erfurt did participate in Artillery Luger production, but not Navies as far as I know. Seems your "Erfurt" Navy is the result of either some rework program, or it is a parts gun... __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

10-11-2004, 12:06 PM	#10
Capt Art User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Florida Gulf Coast Posts: 21 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	John -- As I said it is beautiful. It was the first Luger I bought in about 50 years. Good thing I didn't pay big money for it. I paid as much as a rusty mismatched P.08 would bring. I will now start the hunt for a real one to add to my collection. Need an original 1916 Arty holster, any ideas, I have been looking. Thanks, Art

10-11-2004, 12:30 PM	#11
George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,531 Times in 788 Posts	Art, the chances of finding a 1916 dated artillery holster are not good, damned few if any are known. 1915 dated holsters are far and away the most common and would be quite correct for your pistol.

10-11-2004, 01:47 PM	#12
Capt Art User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Florida Gulf Coast Posts: 21 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Thanks George and thanks Thor for the tip on George Anderson. Will look for a 1915 holster. Art