Luger Lanyards

Hugh · 08-29-2002, 02:50 PM

I just purchased the book THE P08 LUGER PISTOL by de Vries & Marten at an exorbitant price on ebay. Lots of interesting official German WWII propaganda photos.

There has been much discussion about the use of lanyards with the Luger. Perhaps the following pictures will shed some light on the subject. I hope the notations with the pictures are readable.

lugerholsterrepair · 08-29-2002, 03:21 PM

Hugh, I was surprised by what you paid for that book. I picked up a copy at the Salida CO gun show two weeks ago. Needless to say you must be way richer than my humble self. There is also an interesting photo of a deaths head stamp on a policemans holster at the back of the book.

I have been researching Luger lanyards for over five years and have quite an archive of photo's taken of original lanyards found in European collections and combat photo's of soldiers wearing them. I also have copies of German Heers orders for the issue and use of Luger lanyards issued to Cavalry and motorcycle troops. An interesting subject to me. Jerry Burney

LP08 · 08-29-2002, 03:21 PM

In the first photo, there is no magazine in the luger. This also seems to be the case in the last photo. Perhaps this is a safety measure for the photography session. The captions make a couple of seeming errors. The mention that HS magazines were adopted in 1939 but old aluminum bottom mags were still used at a later date omits the fact that many HS mags had aluminum bottoms. Also, was there a "western front" in 1939?

LP08 · 08-29-2002, 03:25 PM

That single photo of the deaths head holster with the SS soldier (very clearly visible helmet decal) nearly makes the entire book worthwhile. Curiously, many of the book's photos are not about lugers but depict other pistols such as 7.65 Mausers and P.38s.

LP08 · 08-29-2002, 03:27 PM

Also in the book are two photos of a French holster making shop. You can see the leather being cut and sewn BUT there is a German soldier standing in the back of one photo suggesting it was an inspection or staged photo. The workers might not operate with such clean and well-organized methods on a regular day.

Hugh · 08-29-2002, 05:50 PM

<img src="graemlins/xyxwave.gif" border="0" alt="[bigbye]" /> Now available for the first time! Straight from the eastern front, hand made Luger Lanyards in winter camo pattern! These lanyards were painstakingly crafted by German soldiers on the battle front in 1944 during the dreaded "winter offensive". Recently discovered in the basement of a "house of ill repute" in the Russian city of Vulger.

Due to the limited number available (only 5000), I am making a special offering to members of the Lugerforum, before going public with this amazing find. You can be the first in your neighborhood Luger Collecting Club to equip your Luger with this valuable accessory. These genuine German Luger Lanyards will be soon offered on ebay with a minimum bid of $50.

As a member of the exclusive Luger Forum Club, you can have one for the amazingly low price of $25. This is 1/2 off the issue price! Hurry and place your order now, as supplies are limited and will be quickly exhausted once this offer is made public! Please enclose $10 to cover cost of handling with kid gloves, postage, and to buy me a beer while I'm packing it. [img]biggrin.gif[/img]

John Sabato · 08-29-2002, 06:07 PM

Duh Hugh!

Didn't I ask you to put those for sale notices in the for sale forum! <img src="graemlins/roflmao.gif" border="0" alt="[hiha]" /> <img src="graemlins/roflmao.gif" border="0" alt="[hiha]" /> <img src="graemlins/roflmao.gif" border="0" alt="[hiha]" />

Garfield · 08-29-2002, 06:13 PM

FRAUD WARNING

IMHO, the knot on the lower loop looks to have been retied and is NOT AOT (as originally tied)!

Ron Wood · 08-29-2002, 07:22 PM

What??!!...Do you think I am an idiot? Anything offered at less than full price is obviously a fake...therefore I demand to pay full issue price! [img]wink.gif[/img]

Aaron · 08-29-2002, 07:59 PM

Jerry Burney (lugerholsterrepair@yahoo.com) once told me that he has made reproduction Luger lanyards. I have never seen any, but I am sure if he makes them they are excellent quality.

wterrell · 08-29-2002, 08:22 PM

Aaron,
Jerry sells the lanyards on the auction sites. Check Ebay and others.

Ron Wood · 08-29-2002, 08:54 PM

Aaron
I have seen them and believe me, they are typical of his work....excellent!

lugerholsterrepair · 08-29-2002, 08:59 PM

Imperial German Cavalry Lanyard made by Jerry Burney a/k/a lugerholsterrepair; lugerholsterrepair@yahoo.com

Hugh · 08-29-2002, 11:54 PM

Sorry, John, I keep fergittin. I'm sufferin frum an advanced stag of AAADD (Age Activated Attention Deficit Disorder). <img src="graemlins/oops.gif" border="0" alt="[oops]" />

wterrell · 08-31-2002, 11:05 AM

Interesting book Hugh. I ordered mine from:

rayrilingarmsbooks.com/

[quote] de Vries & Martens.
THE P08 LUGER PISTOL.

152 pages, illustrated with 200 high quality Black & White Photos. Covers all essential information on history and development, ammunition and accessories, codes and markings, and contains photos of nearly every model and accessory. Includes a unique selection of original German WWll propoganda photos, most never published before.

Price: $34.95 <hr></blockquote>

They are also available from:

http://www.aberdeenbookstore.com/

[quote]THE P08 LUGER PISTOL
Guus de Vries, C,O-

Newest title in this fantastic Propaganda Photo Series out of the Netherlands (book entirely in English). The photos in this and the other books are some of the best I have ever seen, really a pleasure to study and I haven't seen any of these elsewhere. This book covers all essential information on history & development, ammunition & accessories, codes and markings and contains photos of nearly every model and accessory. Also features experimental shoulder stocks, shooting exercises, cleaning and repair. This first half of the book shows the nuts and bolts, all weapons, most in three positions, detailed technical drawings and close ups of codes and ammunition, as well as a detailed text and biography of each type. The second half are brilliant wartime photos of the gun in use in all different climates, cleaning and target practice.

154 pp.
$35.00
<hr></blockquote>

Hugh · 08-31-2002, 07:18 PM

Wes, wish you'd found these before running the bid up so high on ebay! <img src="graemlins/crying.gif" border="0" alt="[crying]" />

max2cam · 08-31-2002, 07:46 PM

Sure, there was most definitely a "western front" in 1939.

On September 1, 1939, Germany invaded Poland.

As a consequence, on September 3, 1939, France and Great Britain declared war on Germany.

From that moment on, an official state of war existed between France and Germany along what to the Germans was their "western front." As we know, however, nothing much happened until the following May with the intervening period called the "phony war" or Sitzkrieg.

But no doubt there was ample opportunity on the Western Front for great propaganda photos like the ones shown and plenty of training and moving up of troops just in case the French attacked.

wterrell · 08-31-2002, 10:35 PM

Hugh,
I posted a thread and expressed interest in a pistol on an auction site, after which you started bidding on it under a <Hidden> identity. I expected that you would have honored my intention to purchase the pistol, since it did not fetch a bid in the many times that it had appeared on the auction sites.

I guess that some people only want what others want. And then to try to snatch it away secretely is not manly. I expected integrity.

I had no intention of ever winning that bid for the book on which you were bidding. I did my research before running your bid up. The books were located and the check was in the mail.

lugerholsterrepair · 08-31-2002, 11:22 PM

Gentlemen, Gentlemen...This is not what we expect from friends and members of the Forum is it? If we harbor these petty animosities the least we can expect is that you keep it private. This sets a horrible example of bad behavior that frankly should not see the light of day here or anywhere else. SHAME! I know both of you and Wes, I expected much better from a man of your obvious intelligence, good humor and character.I have found myself bidding against a friend and member of the Forum before and we have always managed to communicate and work it out. I have also bid against friends where I did not recognize their moniker. I generally do not bid against those I know if I can possibly help it and I would NEVER bid to drive up the price to punish someone. No, I am not a Saint but good heavens gentlemen there is a line I will not cross. I don't know what you could ever do to right this but I suggest you two do whatever it takes . . Jerry Burney [img]frown.gif[/img]

Doubs · 08-31-2002, 11:42 PM

Just for the information of those on the forum, if you look at a bid on Auction Arms that has a reserve and you see the bidder listed as (***HIDDEN***), it means that the reserve price has not been reached at that point. No bidder will be identified on a reserve auction until the reserve price has been reached or exceeded.

I know this because I wrote directly to Auction Arms and inquired. Their reasoning is that items with a reserve price were being offered to the highest bidder after the fact when the bids didn't reach the reserve. The offer was being made privately and Auction Arms was being denied their percentage of the sale. To eliminate that problem, AA shows everyone who bids as (***HIDDEN***) until the reserve is reached.

08-29-2002, 02:50 PM	#1
Hugh RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Southeast Texas Swamp Posts: 2,460 Thanks: 2 Thanked 165 Times in 64 Posts	Luger Lanyards I just purchased the book THE P08 LUGER PISTOL by de Vries & Marten at an exorbitant price on ebay. Lots of interesting official German WWII propaganda photos. There has been much discussion about the use of lanyards with the Luger. Perhaps the following pictures will shed some light on the subject. I hope the notations with the pictures are readable. __________________ *TRUMP FOR PREZ IN '20!*

08-29-2002, 03:21 PM	#2
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,761 Thanks: 4,863 Thanked 3,101 Times in 1,427 Posts	Hugh, I was surprised by what you paid for that book. I picked up a copy at the Salida CO gun show two weeks ago. Needless to say you must be way richer than my humble self. There is also an interesting photo of a deaths head stamp on a policemans holster at the back of the book. I have been researching Luger lanyards for over five years and have quite an archive of photo's taken of original lanyards found in European collections and combat photo's of soldiers wearing them. I also have copies of German Heers orders for the issue and use of Luger lanyards issued to Cavalry and motorcycle troops. An interesting subject to me. Jerry Burney __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

08-29-2002, 05:50 PM	#6
Hugh RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Southeast Texas Swamp Posts: 2,460 Thanks: 2 Thanked 165 Times in 64 Posts	<img src="graemlins/xyxwave.gif" border="0" alt="[bigbye]" /> Now available for the first time! Straight from the eastern front, hand made Luger Lanyards in winter camo pattern! These lanyards were painstakingly crafted by German soldiers on the battle front in 1944 during the dreaded "winter offensive". Recently discovered in the basement of a "house of ill repute" in the Russian city of Vulger. Due to the limited number available (only 5000), I am making a special offering to members of the Lugerforum, before going public with this amazing find. You can be the first in your neighborhood Luger Collecting Club to equip your Luger with this valuable accessory. These genuine German Luger Lanyards will be soon offered on ebay with a minimum bid of $50. As a member of the exclusive Luger Forum Club, you can have one for the amazingly low price of $25. This is 1/2 off the issue price! Hurry and place your order now, as supplies are limited and will be quickly exhausted once this offer is made public! Please enclose $10 to cover cost of handling with kid gloves, postage, and to buy me a beer while I'm packing it. [img]biggrin.gif[/img] __________________ *TRUMP FOR PREZ IN '20!*

08-29-2002, 06:07 PM	#7
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,150 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	Duh Hugh! Didn't I ask you to put those for sale notices in the for sale forum! <img src="graemlins/roflmao.gif" border="0" alt="[hiha]" /> <img src="graemlins/roflmao.gif" border="0" alt="[hiha]" /> <img src="graemlins/roflmao.gif" border="0" alt="[hiha]" /> __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

08-29-2002, 07:22 PM	#9
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,988 Thanks: 1,067 Thanked 5,099 Times in 1,676 Posts	What??!!...Do you think I am an idiot? Anything offered at less than full price is obviously a fake...therefore I demand to pay full issue price! [img]wink.gif[/img] __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

08-29-2002, 03:21 PM	#3
LP08 User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Colorado Posts: 71 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	In the first photo, there is no magazine in the luger. This also seems to be the case in the last photo. Perhaps this is a safety measure for the photography session. The captions make a couple of seeming errors. The mention that HS magazines were adopted in 1939 but old aluminum bottom mags were still used at a later date omits the fact that many HS mags had aluminum bottoms. Also, was there a "western front" in 1939?

08-29-2002, 03:25 PM	#4
LP08 User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Colorado Posts: 71 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	That single photo of the deaths head holster with the SS soldier (very clearly visible helmet decal) nearly makes the entire book worthwhile. Curiously, many of the book's photos are not about lugers but depict other pistols such as 7.65 Mausers and P.38s.

08-29-2002, 03:27 PM	#5
LP08 User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Colorado Posts: 71 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Also in the book are two photos of a French holster making shop. You can see the leather being cut and sewn BUT there is a German soldier standing in the back of one photo suggesting it was an inspection or staged photo. The workers might not operate with such clean and well-organized methods on a regular day.

08-29-2002, 06:13 PM	#8
Garfield User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: A little SE of Nome Posts: 239 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	FRAUD WARNING IMHO, the knot on the lower loop looks to have been retied and is NOT AOT (as originally tied)!

08-29-2002, 07:59 PM	#10
Aaron Banned Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Vista, CA Posts: 1,008 Thanks: 0 Thanked 9 Times in 9 Posts	Jerry Burney (lugerholsterrepair@yahoo.com) once told me that he has made reproduction Luger lanyards. I have never seen any, but I am sure if he makes them they are excellent quality.

08-29-2002, 08:22 PM	#11
wterrell User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Colorado Posts: 1,096 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Aaron, Jerry sells the lanyards on the auction sites. Check Ebay and others. __________________ Noli me vocare, ego te vocabo, wes --------------------

08-29-2002, 08:54 PM	#12
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,988 Thanks: 1,067 Thanked 5,099 Times in 1,676 Posts	Aaron I have seen them and believe me, they are typical of his work....excellent! __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

08-29-2002, 08:59 PM	#13
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,761 Thanks: 4,863 Thanked 3,101 Times in 1,427 Posts	Imperial German Cavalry Lanyard made by Jerry Burney a/k/a lugerholsterrepair; lugerholsterrepair@yahoo.com __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

08-29-2002, 11:54 PM	#14
Hugh RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Southeast Texas Swamp Posts: 2,460 Thanks: 2 Thanked 165 Times in 64 Posts	Sorry, John, I keep fergittin. I'm sufferin frum an advanced stag of AAADD (Age Activated Attention Deficit Disorder). <img src="graemlins/oops.gif" border="0" alt="[oops]" /> __________________ *TRUMP FOR PREZ IN '20!*

08-31-2002, 11:05 AM	#15
wterrell User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Colorado Posts: 1,096 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Interesting book Hugh. I ordered mine from: rayrilingarmsbooks.com/ [quote] de Vries & Martens. THE P08 LUGER PISTOL. 152 pages, illustrated with 200 high quality Black & White Photos. Covers all essential information on history and development, ammunition and accessories, codes and markings, and contains photos of nearly every model and accessory. Includes a unique selection of original German WWll propoganda photos, most never published before. Price: $34.95 <hr></blockquote> They are also available from: http://www.aberdeenbookstore.com/ [quote]THE P08 LUGER PISTOL Guus de Vries, C,O- Newest title in this fantastic Propaganda Photo Series out of the Netherlands (book entirely in English). The photos in this and the other books are some of the best I have ever seen, really a pleasure to study and I haven't seen any of these elsewhere. This book covers all essential information on history & development, ammunition & accessories, codes and markings and contains photos of nearly every model and accessory. Also features experimental shoulder stocks, shooting exercises, cleaning and repair. This first half of the book shows the nuts and bolts, all weapons, most in three positions, detailed technical drawings and close ups of codes and ammunition, as well as a detailed text and biography of each type. The second half are brilliant wartime photos of the gun in use in all different climates, cleaning and target practice. 154 pp. $35.00 <hr></blockquote> __________________ Noli me vocare, ego te vocabo, wes --------------------

08-31-2002, 07:18 PM	#16
Hugh RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Southeast Texas Swamp Posts: 2,460 Thanks: 2 Thanked 165 Times in 64 Posts	Wes, wish you'd found these before running the bid up so high on ebay! <img src="graemlins/crying.gif" border="0" alt="[crying]" /> __________________ *TRUMP FOR PREZ IN '20!*

08-31-2002, 07:46 PM	#17
max2cam User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: USA Posts: 97 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Sure, there was most definitely a "western front" in 1939. On September 1, 1939, Germany invaded Poland. As a consequence, on September 3, 1939, France and Great Britain declared war on Germany. From that moment on, an official state of war existed between France and Germany along what to the Germans was their "western front." As we know, however, nothing much happened until the following May with the intervening period called the "phony war" or Sitzkrieg. But no doubt there was ample opportunity on the Western Front for great propaganda photos like the ones shown and plenty of training and moving up of troops just in case the French attacked.

08-31-2002, 10:35 PM	#18
wterrell User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Colorado Posts: 1,096 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Hugh, I posted a thread and expressed interest in a pistol on an auction site, after which you started bidding on it under a <Hidden> identity. I expected that you would have honored my intention to purchase the pistol, since it did not fetch a bid in the many times that it had appeared on the auction sites. I guess that some people only want what others want. And then to try to snatch it away secretely is not manly. I expected integrity. I had no intention of ever winning that bid for the book on which you were bidding. I did my research before running your bid up. The books were located and the check was in the mail. __________________ Noli me vocare, ego te vocabo, wes --------------------

08-31-2002, 11:22 PM	#19
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,761 Thanks: 4,863 Thanked 3,101 Times in 1,427 Posts	Gentlemen, Gentlemen...This is not what we expect from friends and members of the Forum is it? If we harbor these petty animosities the least we can expect is that you keep it private. This sets a horrible example of bad behavior that frankly should not see the light of day here or anywhere else. SHAME! I know both of you and Wes, I expected much better from a man of your obvious intelligence, good humor and character.I have found myself bidding against a friend and member of the Forum before and we have always managed to communicate and work it out. I have also bid against friends where I did not recognize their moniker. I generally do not bid against those I know if I can possibly help it and I would NEVER bid to drive up the price to punish someone. No, I am not a Saint but good heavens gentlemen there is a line I will not cross. I don't know what you could ever do to right this but I suggest you two do whatever it takes . . Jerry Burney [img]frown.gif[/img] __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

08-31-2002, 11:42 PM	#20
Doubs User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Byron, Georgia Posts: 1,671 Thanks: 771 Thanked 1,617 Times in 526 Posts	Just for the information of those on the forum, if you look at a bid on Auction Arms that has a reserve and you see the bidder listed as (*HIDDEN), it means that the reserve price has not been reached at that point. No bidder will be identified on a reserve auction until the reserve price has been reached or exceeded. I know this because I wrote directly to Auction Arms and inquired. Their reasoning is that items with a reserve price were being offered to the highest bidder after the fact when the bids didn't reach the reserve. The offer was being made privately and Auction Arms was being denied their percentage of the sale. To eliminate that problem, AA shows everyone who bids as (HIDDEN*) until the reserve is reached.