Replying to the business aspect of 9mm

John St · 09-26-2003, 09:50 PM

the M9 Beretta is easily the best.
Others are archaic and making money off of those who think there is justification for a "Luger" in real combat.
If you are not a combat person, then the Luger is easily an expensive endeavor for "history".

With respect,
John St.

John D. · 09-26-2003, 09:58 PM

Hi John St.

"Huh"? I own and shoot Beretta's, 1911's and numerous other firearms. However - I "collect" Lugers. Yep - some folks have made money off me for that endeavor called "collecting" - and I could care less, they had something I wanted, and I reached a "fair price", based upon what I was willing to pay for it. That's "collecting" - not "combat".

However - since I have absolutely no idea what your point was with this post - I thought I'd ask what the point was that you were desperately trying to make, before I simply deleted it....

With respect as well,
John D.

Doubs · 09-26-2003, 10:06 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by John St:
the M9 Beretta is easily the best.
Others are archaic and making money off of those who think there is justification for a "Luger" in real combat.
If you are not a combat person, then the Luger is easily an expensive endeavor for "history".

With respect,
John St.<hr /></blockquote>I'm glad you qualified that statement by comparing the M9 with the Luger. Otherwise, my reaction is:
<img border="0" alt="[hiha]" title="" src="graemlins/roflmao.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[hiha]" title="" src="graemlins/roflmao.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[hiha]" title="" src="graemlins/roflmao.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[sleep]" title="" src="graemlins/sleep.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[sleep]" title="" src="graemlins/sleep.gif" />

BTW, if I HAD to select a 9mm instead of my .45, I'd walk past the M9 to pick up my commercial CZ-75. After that, I'd take a SIG.

John St · 09-26-2003, 10:08 PM

So you are a "site administrator" feigning stupidity to the fact that you (or your superiors) decided to move my P-08 post to another site?

Respectfully,
Thinking you can understand,
John St.

John St · 09-26-2003, 10:15 PM

Doubs,

Since 1987 I felt the CZs were best!
Ask All Custom Firearms in Sierra Vista how many CZ 75s I bought from them (Arizona: Ph (520 459-3450) and ask for the owner, Mike Chudemelka.

He will affirm that I am a CZ believer.

But the M9 I have now is better.

And no Luger compares with either.

I can accept this.

I can't accept the site administrator's narrow opinion--unless he is into helping S----- sell his
Luger Collection.

John St.

John D. · 09-26-2003, 10:20 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by John St:
So you are a "site administrator" feigning stupidity to the fact that you (or your superiors) decided to move my P-08 post to another site?....<hr /></blockquote>I moved your thread to "another site"???!!!
<img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" />

Holleeeee Crap - I AM BETTER THEN I THOUGHT!!!!!

I can only move threads between the various Forums on THIS site - the site you used to be able to post to - but you shouldn't have THAT problem any longer....

Edward Tinker · 09-26-2003, 10:26 PM

Same arguement as before, of course it was ME that moved his posts. As you can see, this uh, gentleman always posts in the same part of the forum. The P08 military section, John St, why would you post this here?

The entire forum is owned and administered by John D., he has several moderators, I am one, as is John S., and a discussion such as this should be in the DISCUSSION part of THIS same forum.

Ed

Greg · 09-26-2003, 10:33 PM

What in Hades is this (and related) thread(s) all about? Perhaps one should lay off the "hooch" or at a minimum make sure that their medication is properly administered before posting????

John D. · 09-26-2003, 10:38 PM

Well - Greg....

I wish I had an answer - which is why I replied "Huh"? in my first post in this thread.....

So - let me try to summarize what I think it's about....

Thinking.....

Still thinking.....

I'm still thinking........

Hmmm - I have NO IDEA..!!!!! But hey - at least I get to 'feign stupidity' (posted by "John St." later in this thread) while others practice it in "real time"... Your comment about "...medication properly administered..." perhaps is correct - but I'm not really sure??!!!

ToggleTop · 09-26-2003, 11:10 PM

I was going to post a comment to this discussion but I don't believe I will, it would just muddy the water more. I will stay tuned for the rest of the story though!

I believe this story has ended!

Russ · 09-26-2003, 11:42 PM

way too mutch BURBON

wterrell · 09-26-2003, 11:50 PM

Waiter! I'll have whatever John St. is having.

John D., please consider un-banning John St. I have enjoyed his posts more than you can imagine. Kind of reminds me of my dad, bless his soul.
He has caused several members here to compose some very witty posts, including several from yourself.
Let him continue to entertain.

John D. · 09-27-2003, 12:09 AM

Hey Wes.....

OK - based on your post, I'm about to unban him - BUT - if it's get's a little out of hand, I probably won't change my mind again.

Let's see what happens OK?

Best to you Wes..!!!!

Big Norm · 09-27-2003, 04:42 AM

Tac,
I like your playing with words. At one time I was a Senior Domestic Facilities Administrator...er..landlord.
Graf Big Norm von Topelowski I (and only)

Luke · 09-27-2003, 04:56 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />'those who beat their swords into ploughshares will plough for those who did not'. <hr /></blockquote>Interesting comment TAC. Perhaps that is old wisdom, but it is the first time I had read it.

Luke

Jack Lawman · 09-27-2003, 11:14 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by John D.:
But hey - at least I get to 'feign stupidity' (posted by "John St." later in this thread) while others practice it in "real time"...

<hr /></blockquote>Reality aside, is this a new variation on the age old "He who argues with a fool..." question?

How about, "Who is stupider... a stupid man or a man who stupidly feigns stupidity?"

Rhetorically,
Jack

saxman · 09-27-2003, 07:58 PM

I consider myself reasonably literate, but I have yet to ascertain the meaning of a single 'John St.' post. Could it be an insurmountable language barrier? I don't think so, because others with native languages other than English manage to get their points across rather succinctly. We overlook spelling and grammatical errors all the time, because after all, we're not here to 'grade' posts for clarity or 'correctness'. Perhaps we're being rather cleverly trolled with intelligently conceived gibberish, although chances are against it. Is he saying the M9/92FS is a better pistol than the Luger for actual use in the real world? No argument there. When the recent hurricane was bearing down on me, I went to the gun cabinet to prepare for the possibility of civil unrest/looting/whatever following the storm. I looked over my pistols and took the Beretta 92FS, leaving a Luger, an HP and a 1911. The Beretta is an excellent combat pistol and is extremely smooth and accurate in operation. Fortunately the locals behaved themselves and everyone acted as they should for a change, helping their neighbors and cleaning up their properties. The Beretta went back to sleep without speaking, but it sure made me feel better there in the dark, one in the pipe and the hammer safely down. All of which has nothing to do with the appreciation of the Luger or one's choice of a duty or combat pistol, but I think that's what he was getting at.

saxman · 09-29-2003, 04:20 PM

After the hurricane, we had a burglar the press nicknamed 'The Blackout Bandit' who at last count had entered 31 homes through open windows and stole various items. The power's back on now, so the windows are closed and the A/C's on, and I guess he faded into the background. That's the kind of thing I was thinking about when I loaded up during the storm. I didn't want y'all to think I was paranoid or anything - just realistic.

Edward Tinker · 09-29-2003, 06:55 PM

No thats not paranoid. And I agree 100% of what you wrote, esp., the first two lines in the first post

Ed

09-26-2003, 09:50 PM	#1
John St User Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 48 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Replying to the business aspect of 9mm the M9 Beretta is easily the best. Others are archaic and making money off of those who think there is justification for a "Luger" in real combat. If you are not a combat person, then the Luger is easily an expensive endeavor for "history". With respect, John St.

09-26-2003, 10:06 PM	#3
Doubs User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Byron, Georgia Posts: 1,673 Thanks: 773 Thanked 1,618 Times in 527 Posts	</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Originally posted by John St: <strong>the M9 Beretta is easily the best. Others are archaic and making money off of those who think there is justification for a "Luger" in real combat. If you are not a combat person, then the Luger is easily an expensive endeavor for "history". With respect, John St.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">I'm glad you qualified that statement by comparing the M9 with the Luger. Otherwise, my reaction is: <img border="0" alt="[hiha]" title="" src="graemlins/roflmao.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[hiha]" title="" src="graemlins/roflmao.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[hiha]" title="" src="graemlins/roflmao.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[sleep]" title="" src="graemlins/sleep.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="[sleep]" title="" src="graemlins/sleep.gif" /> BTW, if I HAD to select a 9mm instead of my .45, I'd walk past the M9 to pick up my commercial CZ-75. After that, I'd take a SIG.

09-26-2003, 10:20 PM	#6
John D. Administrator & Site Owner LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: A Little NE of Somewhere... Posts: 2,651 Thanks: 473 Thanked 513 Times in 127 Posts	</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Originally posted by John St: <strong>So you are a "site administrator" feigning stupidity to the fact that you (or your superiors) decided to move my P-08 post to another site?....</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">I moved your thread to "another site"???!!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" /> Holleeeee Crap - I AM BETTER THEN I THOUGHT!!!!! I can only move threads between the various Forums on THIS site - the site you used to be able to post to - but you shouldn't have THAT problem any longer....

09-26-2003, 10:26 PM	#7
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,916 Thanks: 1,992 Thanked 4,507 Times in 2,081 Posts	Same arguement as before, of course it was ME that moved his posts. As you can see, this uh, gentleman always posts in the same part of the forum. The P08 military section, John St, why would you post this here? The entire forum is owned and administered by John D., he has several moderators, I am one, as is John S., and a discussion such as this should be in the DISCUSSION part of THIS same forum. Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

09-26-2003, 11:10 PM	#10
ToggleTop User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: TN Posts: 297 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I was going to post a comment to this discussion but I don't believe I will, it would just muddy the water more. I will stay tuned for the rest of the story though! I believe this story has ended! __________________ *********************** ToggleTop************* JustHappenToLoveLugers *************************

09-26-2003, 09:58 PM	#2
John D. Administrator & Site Owner LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: A Little NE of Somewhere... Posts: 2,651 Thanks: 473 Thanked 513 Times in 127 Posts	Hi John St. "Huh"? I own and shoot Beretta's, 1911's and numerous other firearms. However - I "collect" Lugers. Yep - some folks have made money off me for that endeavor called "collecting" - and I could care less, they had something I wanted, and I reached a "fair price", based upon what I was willing to pay for it. That's "collecting" - not "combat". However - since I have absolutely no idea what your point was with this post - I thought I'd ask what the point was that you were desperately trying to make, before I simply deleted it.... With respect as well, John D.

09-26-2003, 10:08 PM	#4
John St User Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 48 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	So you are a "site administrator" feigning stupidity to the fact that you (or your superiors) decided to move my P-08 post to another site? Respectfully, Thinking you can understand, John St.

09-26-2003, 10:15 PM	#5
John St User Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 48 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Doubs, Since 1987 I felt the CZs were best! Ask All Custom Firearms in Sierra Vista how many CZ 75s I bought from them (Arizona: Ph (520 459-3450) and ask for the owner, Mike Chudemelka. He will affirm that I am a CZ believer. But the M9 I have now is better. And no Luger compares with either. I can accept this. I can't accept the site administrator's narrow opinion--unless he is into helping S----- sell his Luger Collection. John St.

09-26-2003, 10:33 PM	#8
Greg User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Southern U.S. Posts: 181 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	What in Hades is this (and related) thread(s) all about? Perhaps one should lay off the "hooch" or at a minimum make sure that their medication is properly administered before posting????

09-26-2003, 10:38 PM	#9
John D. Administrator & Site Owner LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: A Little NE of Somewhere... Posts: 2,651 Thanks: 473 Thanked 513 Times in 127 Posts	Well - Greg.... I wish I had an answer - which is why I replied "Huh"? in my first post in this thread..... So - let me try to summarize what I think it's about.... Thinking..... Still thinking..... I'm still thinking........ Hmmm - I have NO IDEA..!!!!! But hey - at least I get to 'feign stupidity' (posted by "John St." later in this thread) while others practice it in "real time"... Your comment about "...medication properly administered..." perhaps is correct - but I'm not really sure??!!!

09-26-2003, 11:42 PM	#11
Russ User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Reading, PA. Posts: 628 Thanks: 2 Thanked 38 Times in 10 Posts	way too mutch BURBON __________________ Livin the dream!!!!!!!!!!!

09-26-2003, 11:50 PM	#12
wterrell User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Colorado Posts: 1,096 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Waiter! I'll have whatever John St. is having. John D., please consider un-banning John St. I have enjoyed his posts more than you can imagine. Kind of reminds me of my dad, bless his soul. He has caused several members here to compose some very witty posts, including several from yourself. Let him continue to entertain. __________________ Noli me vocare, ego te vocabo, wes --------------------

09-27-2003, 12:09 AM	#13
John D. Administrator & Site Owner LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: A Little NE of Somewhere... Posts: 2,651 Thanks: 473 Thanked 513 Times in 127 Posts	Hey Wes..... OK - based on your post, I'm about to unban him - BUT - if it's get's a little out of hand, I probably won't change my mind again. Let's see what happens OK? Best to you Wes..!!!!

09-27-2003, 04:42 AM	#14
Big Norm RIP Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: SE Michigan Posts: 1,864 Thanks: 1 Thanked 6 Times in 5 Posts	Tac, I like your playing with words. At one time I was a Senior Domestic Facilities Administrator...er..landlord. Graf Big Norm von Topelowski I (and only)

09-27-2003, 04:56 AM	#15
Luke User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: NC - USA Posts: 1,239 Thanks: 0 Thanked 18 Times in 6 Posts	</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">'those who beat their swords into ploughshares will plough for those who did not'. </font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Interesting comment TAC. Perhaps that is old wisdom, but it is the first time I had read it. Luke __________________ "Peace, if possible; truth, at any cost." . . . Martin Luther

09-27-2003, 11:14 AM	#16
Jack Lawman User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Near NYC Posts: 428 Thanks: 30 Thanked 64 Times in 37 Posts	</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Originally posted by John D.: <strong>But hey - at least I get to 'feign stupidity' (posted by "John St." later in this thread) while others practice it in "real time"... </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Reality aside, is this a new variation on the age old "He who argues with a fool..." question? How about, "Who is stupider... a stupid man or a man who stupidly feigns stupidity?" Rhetorically, Jack __________________ Why do you guys hate black circles so much?

09-27-2003, 07:58 PM	#17
saxman User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 301 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I consider myself reasonably literate, but I have yet to ascertain the meaning of a single 'John St.' post. Could it be an insurmountable language barrier? I don't think so, because others with native languages other than English manage to get their points across rather succinctly. We overlook spelling and grammatical errors all the time, because after all, we're not here to 'grade' posts for clarity or 'correctness'. Perhaps we're being rather cleverly trolled with intelligently conceived gibberish, although chances are against it. Is he saying the M9/92FS is a better pistol than the Luger for actual use in the real world? No argument there. When the recent hurricane was bearing down on me, I went to the gun cabinet to prepare for the possibility of civil unrest/looting/whatever following the storm. I looked over my pistols and took the Beretta 92FS, leaving a Luger, an HP and a 1911. The Beretta is an excellent combat pistol and is extremely smooth and accurate in operation. Fortunately the locals behaved themselves and everyone acted as they should for a change, helping their neighbors and cleaning up their properties. The Beretta went back to sleep without speaking, but it sure made me feel better there in the dark, one in the pipe and the hammer safely down. All of which has nothing to do with the appreciation of the Luger or one's choice of a duty or combat pistol, but I think that's what he was getting at. __________________ You can lead 'em to the water, but you can't make 'em drink.

09-29-2003, 04:20 PM	#18
saxman User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 301 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	After the hurricane, we had a burglar the press nicknamed 'The Blackout Bandit' who at last count had entered 31 homes through open windows and stole various items. The power's back on now, so the windows are closed and the A/C's on, and I guess he faded into the background. That's the kind of thing I was thinking about when I loaded up during the storm. I didn't want y'all to think I was paranoid or anything - just realistic. __________________ You can lead 'em to the water, but you can't make 'em drink.

09-29-2003, 06:55 PM	#19
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,916 Thanks: 1,992 Thanked 4,507 Times in 2,081 Posts	No thats not paranoid. And I agree 100% of what you wrote, esp., the first two lines in the first post Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV