1939 s/42 1179n

jangus · 02-23-2016, 09:52 PM

I read in shotgun news article on lugers byPeter Kokalis that in 1939 the s/42 started with sn 1330n and I read some where else it started around 4000n, I have one all matching numbers 1179n can anybody explain this.

DonVoigt · 02-23-2016, 10:10 PM

Different sources give different ranges; older books may not be a precise as newer ones with later information; sometimes we dis-remember; sometimes Peter is wrong.

1130 is "around" 4000 considering 10K "n"s were made; I would not worry about it. JMHO.

guns3545 · 02-23-2016, 10:18 PM

Joe,

Welcome to the Forum.

It is certainly true that the n-block was the transition between 1938 and 1939 production. FYI, transitions in mid-block are not unusual, in fact more the rule.

It is equally true that transitions are exactly that; a transition. There is no clear cut number for a cutover. That's the nature of gun manufacturing all over the world.

The earliest REPORTED 1939 S/42 is 1330n. But the latest 1938 n-block is 6575n. There is an overlap between 1938 and 1939.

So, congratulations, you now have the earliest reported n-block 1939 S/42 for what its worth and that's not much. Unless and until someone comes up with a lower number. Or not.

Hope this helps.

John

tharpo · 02-23-2016, 10:55 PM

Jangus,
Do you have pictures of the gun? It is possible your suffix is a "p" and not an "n".

Tom

jangus · 02-24-2016, 06:08 PM

pictures

kurusu · 02-24-2016, 06:22 PM

Tharpo nailed it. That's a p not an n.

jangus · 02-24-2016, 07:22 PM

I had 5 different people look at it and everyone said it was a n , what`t a n look like if that`s a p

jangus · 02-24-2016, 07:48 PM

ok it`s a p, I found a p and a n and compared now I know. thanks for the info.

tharpo · 02-24-2016, 07:50 PM

Here is a "n".

Tom

DonVoigt · 02-24-2016, 10:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jangus

ok it`s a p, I found a p and a n and compared now I know. thanks for the info.

If you think a "p" is confusing, look at the "Q"!

Sergio Natali · 02-25-2016, 03:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jangus

I had 5 different people look at it and everyone said it was a n , what`t a n look like if that`s a p

jangus

You're right it can be a bit misleading, I enclose a table of suffixes for your records.

Best.

guns3545 · 02-25-2016, 08:26 AM

Joe,

They say pictures are worth a thousand words.

Someone on the Forum posted this great compendium of scriptic suffixes correlated to the year of manufacture.

Very helpful.

Here it is. Probably the most helpful document I've seen in years. And also correlates years with inspection stamps.

John

02-23-2016, 09:52 PM	#1
jangus New User Join Date: Feb 2016 Posts: 4 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	1939 s/42 1179n I read in shotgun news article on lugers byPeter Kokalis that in 1939 the s/42 started with sn 1330n and I read some where else it started around 4000n, I have one all matching numbers 1179n can anybody explain this.

02-23-2016, 10:10 PM	#2
DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,678 Thanks: 1,441 Thanked 4,348 Times in 2,038 Posts	Different sources give different ranges; older books may not be a precise as newer ones with later information; sometimes we dis-remember; sometimes Peter is wrong. 1130 is "around" 4000 considering 10K "n"s were made; I would not worry about it. JMHO. __________________ 03man(Don Voigt); Luger student and collector. Looking for DWM side plate: 69 ; Dreyse 1907 pistol K.S. Gendarmerie

02-24-2016, 06:08 PM	#5
jangus New User Join Date: Feb 2016 Posts: 4 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	pictures Attached Thumbnails

02-24-2016, 07:50 PM	#9
tharpo Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: West Coast, USA Posts: 537 Thanks: 116 Thanked 376 Times in 154 Posts	Here is a "n". Tom Attached Thumbnails

02-23-2016, 10:18 PM	#3
guns3545 Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Florida Posts: 435 Thanks: 649 Thanked 490 Times in 216 Posts	Joe, Welcome to the Forum. It is certainly true that the n-block was the transition between 1938 and 1939 production. FYI, transitions in mid-block are not unusual, in fact more the rule. It is equally true that transitions are exactly that; a transition. There is no clear cut number for a cutover. That's the nature of gun manufacturing all over the world. The earliest REPORTED 1939 S/42 is 1330n. But the latest 1938 n-block is 6575n. There is an overlap between 1938 and 1939. So, congratulations, you now have the earliest reported n-block 1939 S/42 for what its worth and that's not much. Unless and until someone comes up with a lower number. Or not. Hope this helps. John

02-23-2016, 10:55 PM	#4
tharpo Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: West Coast, USA Posts: 537 Thanks: 116 Thanked 376 Times in 154 Posts	Jangus, Do you have pictures of the gun? It is possible your suffix is a "p" and not an "n". Tom

02-24-2016, 06:22 PM	#6
kurusu User Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 1,225 Thanks: 2,679 Thanked 929 Times in 509 Posts	Tharpo nailed it. That's a p not an n.

02-24-2016, 07:22 PM	#7
jangus New User Join Date: Feb 2016 Posts: 4 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I had 5 different people look at it and everyone said it was a n , what`t a n look like if that`s a p

02-24-2016, 07:48 PM	#8
jangus New User Join Date: Feb 2016 Posts: 4 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	ok it`s a p, I found a p and a n and compared now I know. thanks for the info.