Eight Luger Makers

Dick Herman · 05-15-2015, 07:24 PM

Here are pictures of my Luger collection that represent the eight manufacturers of these pistols. In sequential order from left to right: DWM, Erfurt, Spandau, Bern Waffenfabrik, Vickers, Simson, Krieghoff and Mauser.

I am pleased with my Luger makers collection even though there are issues regarding legitimate manufactures. I know that Vickers assembled pistols made with components manufactured by DWM. And yes, the Spandau is probably a fake, but how many real Spandau Lugers exist?

George Anderson · 05-15-2015, 07:26 PM

None.

Norme · 05-15-2015, 07:41 PM

Hi Dick, Thanks for showing your complete set of Lugers by manufacturer. While the Spandau is certainly a fake, I think it's worth including, if only to commemorate the Golden Age of Luger fakery.
Regards, Norm

sheepherder · 05-15-2015, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Dick Herman

And yes, the Spandau is probably a fake...

Dick, if i were a mechanic I would copy one of the few pictures of a known 'real' Spandau, with the appropriate ancillary markings...

I like your collection!

Dick Herman · 05-15-2015, 08:03 PM

Even in the early Datig book there was the question regarding the issue surrounding the Spandau Luger. Contemporary authors are apparently concerned about the Spandau pictures in their publications with their beware notes.

The issue question is expanded by the fact that no Spandau Lugers are reported from Europe.

tharpo · 05-15-2015, 09:35 PM

Very nice pictorial, thanks!

Tom

George Anderson · 05-15-2015, 10:27 PM

Doug Smith told me years ago that he was asked to go through the shop of a deceased Luger enthusiast in southern Ohio. He said he found a roll die for a Spandau and a Chrysanthemum.

ithacaartist · 05-15-2015, 10:45 PM

Dick, thanks for posting. I think this grouping is a hoot! It reminds me of this oft'-repeated conversation: "So, what kind of Luger are you really interested in?" "One of each" "OK, but in what category? Imperial? Wiemar? WWII?" Yes, that's right. All of them!"

RockinWR · 05-15-2015, 11:31 PM

* Thank you sincerely for sharing this fine collection of Luger Makers. Rarely does one see all 8 exhibited together at one time....especially in such nice condition. A tribute to your informed dedication.
* No chamber date; so, is the DWM a 1st issue Military or a 5 digit commercial?
*And the $64 dollar question is: What goes in the empty slot next to the 4" DWM.
* Inquiring mind seeks to know.
Regards,

Bob
Good luck & Good Hunting

rolandtg · 05-16-2015, 01:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RockinWR

*And the $64 dollar question is: What goes in the empty slot next to the 4" DWM.
* Inquiring mind seeks to know.
Regards,

Bob
Good luck & Good Hunting

An East German N Luger of course!

Dick Herman · 05-16-2015, 03:45 AM

Bob,
I took these pictures quite some time ago, but I believe the DWM is a 1st issue German P08. The display stand has 10 slots so there is an empty slot on each side.

Sergio Natali · 05-16-2015, 04:56 AM

Dick

Never mind the Spandau, in fact I've never seen one, but let me thank you for sharing a picture of your fine collection, acually makes me feel like doing the same with my (small indeed) colletion.

Hat off to you.

Sergio

K.Wilhelm · 05-16-2015, 10:10 AM

Dick- very impressive! Thanks for sharing.

Bill

sheepherder · 05-16-2015, 10:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dick Herman

The display stand has 10 slots so there is an empty slot on each side.

A 'DANZIG' toggled Luger would look good in one of those slots...

Lugerdoc · 05-16-2015, 11:39 AM

Dick et al, What most folks don't realize that all of these makers were produced on only 3 original sets of machinery: DWM machinery went to Mauser in the early 1930s. Erfurt's to Simson in the early 1920s and to Kreighoff by 1935, and probably use postwar by the DDR. The Swiss machinery was modified in 1929 and continued to make parts until 1949 and then sold to Mauser in the late 1960, but soon had to be replaced. TH

JTD · 05-16-2015, 11:56 AM

Nice pics Dick. John

Dick Herman · 05-16-2015, 12:56 PM

Bob,
Sorry but my memory is slipping. The DWM is an early BUG marked commercial model 1908. The Mother of Lugers.

DonVoigt · 05-16-2015, 03:02 PM

Very nice, gives me something else to shoot for!

One of each MFG., up till now I was/am collecting what appeals to me; now I have a mission, there is method to my madness.

Ben M. · 05-16-2015, 04:55 PM

maybe a stainless steel luger from aimco to fill one empty slot?

mrerick · 05-16-2015, 05:20 PM

Very nice collection. Thanks for sharing....

So many Lugers,
So little time!

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ithacaartist Twice a Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Atop the highest hill in Schuyler County NY Posts: 3,400 Thanks: 7,555 Thanked 2,643 Times in 1,393 Posts	Dick, thanks for posting. I think this grouping is a hoot! It reminds me of this oft'-repeated conversation: "So, what kind of Luger are you really interested in?" "One of each" "OK, but in what category? Imperial? Wiemar? WWII?" Yes, that's right. All of them!" __________________ "... Liberty is the seed and soil, the air and light, the dew and rain of progress, love and joy."-- Robert Greene Ingersoll 1894

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RockinWR User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: D/FW, Tx Posts: 279 Thanks: 109 Thanked 31 Times in 16 Posts	* Thank you sincerely for sharing this fine collection of Luger Makers. Rarely does one see all 8 exhibited together at one time....especially in such nice condition. A tribute to your informed dedication. * No chamber date; so, is the DWM a 1st issue Military or a 5 digit commercial? And the $64 dollar question is: What goes in the empty slot next to the 4" DWM. Inquiring mind seeks to know. Regards, Bob Good luck & Good Hunting Last edited by RockinWR; 05-16-2015 at 01:02 AM. Reason: Embellishment and clarification/

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Sergio Natali User Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Somewhere in Northern Italy Posts: 2,646 Thanks: 1,087 Thanked 1,783 Times in 1,007 Posts	Dick Never mind the Spandau, in fact I've never seen one, but let me thank you for sharing a picture of your fine collection, acually makes me feel like doing the same with my (small indeed) colletion. Hat off to you. Sergio __________________ "Originality can't be restored and should be at the top of any collector's priority list.

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K.Wilhelm User Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: South Central Colorado Posts: 215 Thanks: 45 Thanked 110 Times in 66 Posts	Quite a collection Dick- very impressive! Thanks for sharing. Bill __________________ NRA Endowment Life member Proud veteran of the Naval Security Group Last edited by K.Wilhelm; 05-16-2015 at 10:11 AM. Reason: spelling

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Lugerdoc Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: POB 398 St.Charles,MO. 63302 Posts: 5,089 Thanks: 6 Thanked 737 Times in 484 Posts	Dick et al, What most folks don't realize that all of these makers were produced on only 3 original sets of machinery: DWM machinery went to Mauser in the early 1930s. Erfurt's to Simson in the early 1920s and to Kreighoff by 1935, and probably use postwar by the DDR. The Swiss machinery was modified in 1929 and continued to make parts until 1949 and then sold to Mauser in the late 1960, but soon had to be replaced. TH __________________ Tom Heller POB 398 ST.Charles, MO. 63302 Tel 636-447-3006 lugerdoc@charter.net

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Norme Always A Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,417 Thanks: 226 Thanked 2,607 Times in 933 Posts	Hi Dick, Thanks for showing your complete set of Lugers by manufacturer. While the Spandau is certainly a fake, I think it's worth including, if only to commemorate the Golden Age of Luger fakery. Regards, Norm

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Dick Herman User Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 302 Thanks: 496 Thanked 356 Times in 138 Posts	Even in the early Datig book there was the question regarding the issue surrounding the Spandau Luger. Contemporary authors are apparently concerned about the Spandau pictures in their publications with their beware notes. The issue question is expanded by the fact that no Spandau Lugers are reported from Europe.

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tharpo Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: West Coast, USA Posts: 544 Thanks: 118 Thanked 383 Times in 158 Posts	Very nice pictorial, thanks! Tom

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George Anderson Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: VA Posts: 3,592 Thanks: 1,773 Thanked 2,531 Times in 788 Posts	Doug Smith told me years ago that he was asked to go through the shop of a deceased Luger enthusiast in southern Ohio. He said he found a roll die for a Spandau and a Chrysanthemum.

05-16-2015, 03:45 AM	#11
Dick Herman User Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 302 Thanks: 496 Thanked 356 Times in 138 Posts	Bob, I took these pictures quite some time ago, but I believe the DWM is a 1st issue German P08. The display stand has 10 slots so there is an empty slot on each side.

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JTD User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: PA Posts: 428 Thanks: 218 Thanked 410 Times in 151 Posts	Nice pics Dick. John

05-16-2015, 12:56 PM	#17
Dick Herman User Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 302 Thanks: 496 Thanked 356 Times in 138 Posts	Bob, Sorry but my memory is slipping. The DWM is an early BUG marked commercial model 1908. The Mother of Lugers.

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DonVoigt User Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: near Charlotte NC Posts: 4,681 Thanks: 1,443 Thanked 4,356 Times in 2,041 Posts	Very nice, gives me something else to shoot for! One of each MFG., up till now I was/am collecting what appeals to me; now I have a mission, there is method to my madness.

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Ben M. User Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Retired to Naples, FL. Posts: 496 Thanks: 108 Thanked 155 Times in 97 Posts	maybe a stainless steel luger from aimco to fill one empty slot?

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mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,925 Thanks: 1,377 Thanked 3,139 Times in 1,520 Posts	Very nice collection. Thanks for sharing.... So many Lugers, So little time! __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.