Help to identify Luger

Guspao · 05-02-2015, 12:58 AM

Hi, I need help for identify this Luger, the register office in my Country says that the serial number is fake. Help would be apreciated ! Thanks !

sheepherder · 05-02-2015, 07:41 AM

Yep, looks fake to me!

What country are you in?

Edward Tinker · 05-02-2015, 07:58 AM

the number has been added, since it has a suffix, it should be only 4 numbers long

There are exceptions, but this is not one I am aware of

Diver6106 · 05-02-2015, 08:32 AM

There are many guns so worn that their numbers are unreadable or worn off. But we really need a number on the receiver for legal purposes, so someone just puts on a number. The same happens with parts guns assembled as a custom build. Adding a number makes it possible to transfer and sell these guns. This is probably what happened to this Luger. I wonder if you took the receiver and had it xrayed, if that would show the stress marks from the original number being punched into the metal. Then a Luger could have its original number punched on it again.

Ron Wood · 05-02-2015, 09:32 AM

The gun has been reworked. It probably was a police or armory rebuild that refinished a heavily worn or rusted gun, replaced the barrel and added the serial number in accordance with their rebuild numbering system. For all practical purposes number is not necessarily "fake", just not original, and is now the serial number that the gun will wear from here on out.

Guspao · 05-02-2015, 12:55 PM

Many thanks for the information , Im from Argentina, south America, I received this gun and I try to register in the office register guns in my Country, but , they are keep my Luger for destroy it , they say that the serial number is not original and they will destroy the gun , Im very sad for this situation, anyway, thanks a lot for your knowledge , time and kindness

Diver6106 · 05-03-2015, 07:29 PM

Sad. This happens in the U.S. sometimes, but they might allow you to keep some parts. Then you can sell these on the WWW, even cut up parts.

John Sabato · 05-04-2015, 11:19 AM

See if the registration office will let you keep all the parts that are not "faked" as you are apparently and innocent buyer of the gun... That way you will not lose your entire investment in this gun. Ron Wood's explanation is certainly plausible, but I think there is just as much chance that the gun serial number has been faked. An unfortunate circumstance. My condolences.

You can see that the "m" suffix for the serial number is missing the top portion because the front of the frame has been ground or sanded down to remove the original number.

05-02-2015, 12:58 AM	#1
Guspao New User Join Date: May 2015 Posts: 2 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Help to identify Luger Hi, I need help for identify this Luger, the register office in my Country says that the serial number is fake. Help would be apreciated ! Thanks !

05-02-2015, 07:41 AM	#2
sheepherder Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: ...on the 'ol Erie Canal... Posts: 8,182 Thanks: 1,398 Thanked 4,440 Times in 2,328 Posts	Yep, looks fake to me! What country are you in? __________________ I like my coffee the way I like my women... ...Cold and bitter...

05-02-2015, 07:58 AM	#3
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,915 Thanks: 1,989 Thanked 4,506 Times in 2,080 Posts	the number has been added, since it has a suffix, it should be only 4 numbers long There are exceptions, but this is not one I am aware of __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

05-02-2015, 09:32 AM	#5
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 6,988 Thanks: 1,067 Thanked 5,099 Times in 1,676 Posts	The gun has been reworked. It probably was a police or armory rebuild that refinished a heavily worn or rusted gun, replaced the barrel and added the serial number in accordance with their rebuild numbering system. For all practical purposes number is not necessarily "fake", just not original, and is now the serial number that the gun will wear from here on out. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

05-04-2015, 11:19 AM	#8
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,150 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	See if the registration office will let you keep all the parts that are not "faked" as you are apparently and innocent buyer of the gun... That way you will not lose your entire investment in this gun. Ron Wood's explanation is certainly plausible, but I think there is just as much chance that the gun serial number has been faked. An unfortunate circumstance. My condolences. You can see that the "m" suffix for the serial number is missing the top portion because the front of the frame has been ground or sanded down to remove the original number. __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

05-02-2015, 08:32 AM	#4
Diver6106 User Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Mt. Vernon VA Posts: 244 Thanks: 1,420 Thanked 117 Times in 75 Posts	There are many guns so worn that their numbers are unreadable or worn off. But we really need a number on the receiver for legal purposes, so someone just puts on a number. The same happens with parts guns assembled as a custom build. Adding a number makes it possible to transfer and sell these guns. This is probably what happened to this Luger. I wonder if you took the receiver and had it xrayed, if that would show the stress marks from the original number being punched into the metal. Then a Luger could have its original number punched on it again.

05-02-2015, 12:55 PM	#6
Guspao New User Join Date: May 2015 Posts: 2 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Many thanks for the information , Im from Argentina, south America, I received this gun and I try to register in the office register guns in my Country, but , they are keep my Luger for destroy it , they say that the serial number is not original and they will destroy the gun , Im very sad for this situation, anyway, thanks a lot for your knowledge , time and kindness

05-03-2015, 07:29 PM	#7
Diver6106 User Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Mt. Vernon VA Posts: 244 Thanks: 1,420 Thanked 117 Times in 75 Posts	Sad. This happens in the U.S. sometimes, but they might allow you to keep some parts. Then you can sell these on the WWW, even cut up parts.