Black Widow?

PEB · 02-21-2013, 08:07 PM

Hi All
I was wondering what I should expect to pay for a Black Widow shooter and if anyone knows of a decent one available anywhere?

Thanks!!!

Paul

DavidJayUden · 02-21-2013, 08:16 PM

Seems like they bring a couple of hundred more than the earlier guns. Go figure... I'm guessing $1400 to $1800 for a matching gun in average or better shape.
dju

PEB · 02-21-2013, 08:20 PM

Thanks David! I might have to consider parting with my 1915 DWM I posted to go after one of these.

skeeter4206 · 02-24-2013, 05:11 AM

Check out

www.legacy-collectibles.com
www.simpsonltd.com

I do believe these sites have some of the back widows for sale occasionally.

Or chec

Vlim · 02-24-2013, 06:13 AM

After all these years, I still find it amusing to see that Ralph Shattucks old sales trick still works. A 'Black Widow' is nothing more than a P08 with plastic grips, guys. Nothing fancy.

PEB · 02-24-2013, 08:33 AM

Sorry, I should have been more descriptive...................i am looking for a byf 42 with period black grips. I apologize for the confusion

MikeP · 02-24-2013, 12:34 PM

Back "in the day" "real collectors" turned up their noses at those last ditch Lugers.

Unit marks were also disdained.

There is a fine line between a hobby and a mental illness.

Nomadr · 02-24-2013, 08:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeP

Back "in the day" "real collectors" turned up their noses at those last ditch Lugers.

Unit marks were also disdained.

There is a fine line between a hobby and a mental illness.

Not last ditch by any means! Replaced by the new P.38. But still a very effective and sought after WWII trophy by any American soldier at that time.

Ive got to say I don't remember 41, 42 Lugers ever being snubbed by collectors? Although, I've only been collecting for a short time in the Luger collector world.

Don't we all dream about going back in time with the knowledge we have today.

Bob

jaguar88xj6 · 02-25-2013, 09:30 AM

Don't we all dream about going back in time with the knowledge we have today.

Yes it is. Too bad it all ended when they stopped building Deloreans.

Douglas Jr. · 02-26-2013, 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vlim

After all these years, I still find it amusing to see that Ralph Shattucks old sales trick still works. A 'Black Widow' is nothing more than a P08 with plastic grips, guys. Nothing fancy.

Exactly. So, just get a mismatched, pitted or reblued standard P08 from WWII, give it a black finish, buy a pair of black plastic repro grips on e-bay, and you will have a shooter Black Widow.

John Sabato · 02-26-2013, 04:20 PM

The byf models were anything but "last ditch"... the finest Mauser Lugers ever produced IMNSHO... they may not have had strawed small parts, but they were made with the latest metallurgy of the time, and "Luger" precision. Those "plastic" (actually bakelite) grips command some very high prices from collectors... I would never turn up my nose to having one in my safe...

NoncomRetired · 02-26-2013, 04:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeP

There is a fine line between a hobby and a mental illness.

I can agree 100%. With the purchase of just one luger, made me sell my entire collection of other german and axis pistols.

CAP Black · 02-26-2013, 06:31 PM

I never heard such praise before. I purchased an almost new version a couple of years ago. It was produced near the end of the war. It is a nice one. I got a really good price. I just never knew that it was that precious??? O.K. by me.
thanks
Jack

Levi 42 · 02-26-2013, 07:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CAP Black

I never heard such praise before. I purchased an almost new version a couple of years ago. It was produced near the end of the war. It is a nice one. I got a really good price. I just never knew that it was that precious??? O.K. by me.
thanks
Jack

Well Jack, while they may not be as "precious" as my wife of 47 years

The 41 and 42 byf's are what I seem to be drawn to and now own several. I'll admitt that I am "new" to Luger collecting so I don't have any pre-conceived ideas of the "hyarchy" of the Luger hobby......................I like them all!! WWII is the center of my collecting interest however.

Levi

alanint · 02-26-2013, 09:49 PM

There really are no "Last Ditch" Lugers, as production was essentially terminated before the Reich reached that point. The Bakelite grips were a logistic expedient, since wood was a scarse and strategic material.

There is nothing second class about these pistols and they represent, for me, the most fascinating era of Luger production.

Jan C Still · 02-27-2013, 12:55 AM

Doug
Well stated!!!
Jan

Edward Tinker · 02-27-2013, 01:58 AM

Nah, can't beat a nice strawed WW1 era luger or even better, a strawed Simson - before the Nazi time and made with love

rhuff · 02-27-2013, 04:15 PM

I have never met a Luger that I didn't like........some I like more than others, but I like them all.

PEB · 02-27-2013, 06:32 PM

Hi Guys
I was offered this one for $1750. Opinions?

alanint · 02-27-2013, 08:15 PM

She's a beauty and exhibits everything you would want in a 42 BYF!

Make sure to send a photo of the interior of the grips, so's we can make sure they are originals.

02-21-2013, 08:07 PM	#1
PEB Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Michigan Posts: 78 Thanks: 2 Thanked 5 Times in 4 Posts	Black Widow? Hi All I was wondering what I should expect to pay for a Black Widow shooter and if anyone knows of a decent one available anywhere? Thanks!!! Paul

02-26-2013, 04:20 PM	#11
John Sabato Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Capital of the Free World Posts: 10,153 Thanks: 3,003 Thanked 2,304 Times in 1,096 Posts	The byf models were anything but "last ditch"... the finest Mauser Lugers ever produced IMNSHO... they may not have had strawed small parts, but they were made with the latest metallurgy of the time, and "Luger" precision. Those "plastic" (actually bakelite) grips command some very high prices from collectors... I would never turn up my nose to having one in my safe... __________________ regards, -John S "...We hold these truths to be self-evident that ALL men are created EQUAL *and are endowed by their Creator* with certain UNALIENABLE* rights, and among these are life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness..."*

02-27-2013, 01:58 AM	#17
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,924 Thanks: 2,014 Thanked 4,518 Times in 2,087 Posts	Nah, can't beat a nice strawed WW1 era luger or even better, a strawed Simson - before the Nazi time and made with love __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

02-27-2013, 06:32 PM	#19
PEB Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Michigan Posts: 78 Thanks: 2 Thanked 5 Times in 4 Posts	Opinions On This One? Hi Guys I was offered this one for $1750. Opinions? Attached Thumbnails

02-21-2013, 08:16 PM	#2
DavidJayUden Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 4,047 Thanks: 578 Thanked 1,414 Times in 887 Posts	Seems like they bring a couple of hundred more than the earlier guns. Go figure... I'm guessing $1400 to $1800 for a matching gun in average or better shape. dju

02-21-2013, 08:20 PM	#3
PEB Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Michigan Posts: 78 Thanks: 2 Thanked 5 Times in 4 Posts	Thanks David! I might have to consider parting with my 1915 DWM I posted to go after one of these.

02-24-2013, 05:11 AM	#4
skeeter4206 User Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Augusta, GA Posts: 448 Thanks: 52 Thanked 88 Times in 49 Posts	Check out www.legacy-collectibles.com www.simpsonltd.com I do believe these sites have some of the back widows for sale occasionally. Or chec

02-24-2013, 06:13 AM	#5
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,987 Times in 1,205 Posts	After all these years, I still find it amusing to see that Ralph Shattucks old sales trick still works. A 'Black Widow' is nothing more than a P08 with plastic grips, guys. Nothing fancy.

02-24-2013, 08:33 AM	#6
PEB Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Michigan Posts: 78 Thanks: 2 Thanked 5 Times in 4 Posts	Sorry, I should have been more descriptive...................i am looking for a byf 42 with period black grips. I apologize for the confusion

02-24-2013, 12:34 PM	#7
MikeP User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: ILL Posts: 686 Thanks: 36 Thanked 452 Times in 198 Posts	Back "in the day" "real collectors" turned up their noses at those last ditch Lugers. Unit marks were also disdained. There is a fine line between a hobby and a mental illness.

02-25-2013, 09:30 AM	#9
jaguar88xj6 User Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 18 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Don't we all dream about going back in time with the knowledge we have today. Yes it is. Too bad it all ended when they stopped building Deloreans.

02-26-2013, 06:31 PM	#13
CAP Black User Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Fairmont, WV Right here in Mountaineer country and God's country Posts: 767 Thanks: 100 Thanked 168 Times in 96 Posts	I never heard such praise before. I purchased an almost new version a couple of years ago. It was produced near the end of the war. It is a nice one. I got a really good price. I just never knew that it was that precious??? O.K. by me. thanks Jack

02-26-2013, 09:49 PM	#15
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	There really are no "Last Ditch" Lugers, as production was essentially terminated before the Reich reached that point. The Bakelite grips were a logistic expedient, since wood was a scarse and strategic material. There is nothing second class about these pistols and they represent, for me, the most fascinating era of Luger production.

02-27-2013, 12:55 AM	#16
Jan C Still User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Box 240188, Douglas, Alaska, 99824 Posts: 463 Thanks: 0 Thanked 52 Times in 32 Posts	Doug Well stated!!! Jan

02-27-2013, 04:15 PM	#18
rhuff Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Az. Posts: 2,287 Thanks: 2,702 Thanked 971 Times in 716 Posts	I have never met a Luger that I didn't like........some I like more than others, but I like them all.

02-27-2013, 08:15 PM	#20
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	She's a beauty and exhibits everything you would want in a 42 BYF! Make sure to send a photo of the interior of the grips, so's we can make sure they are originals.