Not in my new book.....bummer.

NoncomRetired · 02-15-2013, 02:19 PM

Today I recieved in the post with a smile, Jeff Noll's book on Imperial German Unit markings. I like doing my own research but do to old age, sometimes I have to ask what comes first the 'A' or the 'B'.

I didn't get much feedback earlier when I posted help on a unit mark, "M.G.T.R.9.K." 1916 DWM and I see why. Can't find it anywhere in the book. M.G. (Machinenegewehr) but the T.R. that follows is not there. 'T' for trains, 'R' for Regt/Fus/Gren or 'T.R.' for Recruitung Depot of a telegraph Det but.....the 'T' is not a script 't. In Jeff's book there is no mention of M.G.T.R.9.K. even on pages for 1916 unit marked DWMs.

Any ideas would be appreciated.

sheepherder · 02-15-2013, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by NoncomRetired

Any ideas would be appreciated.

I looked at the list of your 16 threads, and the only one I see in the "Unit Markings" forum (besides this thread) is for another Luger...1915 DWM w/1. MG. 21. A. markings...

Do you have a pic of this Lugers' markings???

NoncomRetired · 02-15-2013, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by postino

I looked at the list of your 16 threads, and the only one I see in the "Unit Markings" forum (besides this thread) is for another Luger...1915 DWM w/1. MG. 21. A. markings...

Do you have a pic of this Lugers' markings???

Thought sure that I posted these markings....
here's a photo:

NoncomRetired · 02-15-2013, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by postino

I looked at the list of your 16 threads, and the only one I see in the "Unit Markings" forum (besides this thread) is for another Luger...1915 DWM w/1. MG. 21. A. markings...

Do you have a pic of this Lugers' markings???

http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthread.php?t=29452

Post #5

I didn't put a period after the 'T' in that post.

NoncomRetired · 02-15-2013, 05:03 PM

Your right again, did I mention I'm blind also!!!!SO!!! TR in my book says: Recruiting Depot of a Telegraph Detachment but I can't see that in conjunction with M.G. unit.

GOT IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

M.G.TR.9.K. is Kompagnie 9, leichter Maschinengewehr-Trupp

found unit marking, M.G.TR.11.K. on a 1917 DWM...................page 93, Jeff Nolls book.

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Originally Posted by postino

OK, I see the text now...I guess the members here didn't think you were asking what that one was...

I don't see a period after the T in your pic...

I know zilch about units or their stampings, but that unit stamp of yours looks strange...Not fake, but rather like the letters G and T were done with two stamps...The seriph for the G is very strange, and the T has oversized droopy tips...Like the guy who stamped the letters didn't have the complete letter set and had to make do with what he had on hand...

Someone who knows these things should be along soon...

Don M · 02-16-2013, 01:52 PM

Sadly, many collectors are rather cavalier about accurately reporting the placement of periods in unit markings but, as this thread demonstrates, they can make all the difference in the world!

klaus 3338 · 02-16-2013, 03:14 PM

It is one of 111 leichte M.G. Trupps which was "made" in 1916.

NoncomRetired · 02-16-2013, 03:43 PM

Do you know what regiment 9 kompanie was assigned to?

I've found this:
Im Jahr 1916 aufgestellt: MGK 1-5 (Südarmee), 601-608, 701-709, 15 (Belgien), MGK 1-4 der 39.Res.Div but nothing on 9 kompanie.

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Originally Posted by klaus 3338

It is one of 111 leichte M.G. Trupps which was "made" in 1916.

klaus 3338 · 02-17-2013, 02:55 AM

Sorry I do not have special information about parts of the the M.G. Trupps.
The M.G. units you mentioned above were Maschinen Gewehr Kompagnien (M.G.K.) and not Maschinen Gewehr Trupps (M.G.Tr.)
There were a lot of different M.G. units in the old Army: M.G.A.; M.G.SSch.A. and so on.

02-15-2013, 02:19 PM	#1
NoncomRetired Lifer Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 719 Thanks: 144 Thanked 306 Times in 146 Posts	Not in my new book.....bummer. Today I recieved in the post with a smile, Jeff Noll's book on Imperial German Unit markings. I like doing my own research but do to old age, sometimes I have to ask what comes first the 'A' or the 'B'. I didn't get much feedback earlier when I posted help on a unit mark, "M.G.T.R.9.K." 1916 DWM and I see why. Can't find it anywhere in the book. M.G. (Machinenegewehr) but the T.R. that follows is not there. 'T' for trains, 'R' for Regt/Fus/Gren or 'T.R.' for Recruitung Depot of a telegraph Det but.....the 'T' is not a script 't. In Jeff's book there is no mention of M.G.T.R.9.K. even on pages for 1916 unit marked DWMs. Any ideas would be appreciated.

02-16-2013, 01:52 PM	#6
Don M Patron LugerForum Patron Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 1,429 Thanks: 67 Thanked 292 Times in 191 Posts	Sadly, many collectors are rather cavalier about accurately reporting the placement of periods in unit markings but, as this thread demonstrates, they can make all the difference in the world! __________________ Regards, Don donmaus1@aol.com Author of History Writ in Steel: German Police Markings 1900-1936 http://www.historywritinsteel.com

02-16-2013, 03:14 PM	#7
klaus 3338 User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Germany Posts: 517 Thanks: 0 Thanked 413 Times in 160 Posts	It is one of 111 leichte M.G. Trupps which was "made" in 1916.

02-17-2013, 02:55 AM	#9
klaus 3338 User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Germany Posts: 517 Thanks: 0 Thanked 413 Times in 160 Posts	Sorry I do not have special information about parts of the the M.G. Trupps. The M.G. units you mentioned above were Maschinen Gewehr Kompagnien (M.G.K.) and not Maschinen Gewehr Trupps (M.G.Tr.) There were a lot of different M.G. units in the old Army: M.G.A.; M.G.SSch.A. and so on.