Mag body and tool

kpf · 01-09-2013, 11:29 AM

Hello all

What is this, repro?

Ron Wood · 01-09-2013, 11:42 AM

The magazine body is not a repro, it is an original late Swiss. I have no idea about the tool.

alanint · 01-09-2013, 11:50 AM

More photos of the tool would help. I don't see the oblong cut, which allows purchase on the magazine button.

Search the site here por threads, which will give you clues for distinguishing an authentic tool.

lugerholsterrepair · 01-09-2013, 12:30 PM

Tool has the Mauser shape and I can see the lip peeping out. You need to get a clear photo of the grind marks on the screwdriver tip.

Vlim · 01-09-2013, 12:57 PM

Magazine body: Swiss, made by Paillard in St. Croix.
Loading tool: Postwar Mauser Parabellum (most likely).

kpf · 01-09-2013, 02:29 PM

Regards

Kai

klaus 3338 · 01-10-2013, 02:18 AM

Hi Kai, your tool is a Mauser tool made until 1945 without the acceptance mark. Tools like this were issued to the Potuguese Luger 943. I got hundreds of tools in Norway 25 years ago and a few were like your tool.
Best regards to the nicest country in Europa.

Vlim · 01-10-2013, 08:29 AM

Hi Klaus,

Did you compare these late 1942 production Mauser tools with the post war Mauser Parabellum tools? I find it interesting to see that they share a common 'look and feel'.

This can be explained by the fact that Mauser produced both tools and had the drawings available, of course. But it is interesting also to see that the rather dull blueing of these tools appears to match.

klaus 3338 · 01-10-2013, 10:57 AM

Vlim, die Schlüssel vor 45 sind in der Farbe matter als die der Nachkriegszeit (sprich 70ér und 80ér Jahre. Die Klinge ist bei den Nachkriegsschlüsseln länger als die der frühen, die frühen sind abgestuft, die späten nicht. Das Material der frühen Schlüssel wirkt zudem homogener als das der späten. Es gibt im umgebogenen Teil der Nachkriegsschlüssel eine Druckstelle, die es bei Mauser bis 45 nicht gibt. Das alles mag dem, der Schlüssel nicht so intensiv gesammelt hat, wie Böhmische Dörfer vorkommen. Ich habe immerhin rund 11000 Schlüssel gehabt, da sieht man dann schnell, worauf es ankommt.
Im Moment haben wir schlechtes Licht; wenn es besser ist, mach ich mal ein Foto, das die Unterschiede dann zumindest teilweise zeigt.
Gruß
Klaus
Im Englischen hätte ich mir wieder mal einen abgebrochen, deshalb die "einfache Version".

01-09-2013, 11:29 AM	#1
kpf User Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Finnøy, Norway Posts: 75 Thanks: 78 Thanked 36 Times in 10 Posts	Mag body and tool Hello all What is this, repro?

01-09-2013, 11:42 AM	#2
Ron Wood Moderator 2010 LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Santa Teresa New Mexico just outside of the West Texas town of El Paso Posts: 7,035 Thanks: 1,106 Thanked 5,242 Times in 1,719 Posts	The magazine body is not a repro, it is an original late Swiss. I have no idea about the tool. __________________ If it's made after 1918...it's a reproduction

01-09-2013, 12:30 PM	#4
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,775 Thanks: 4,995 Thanked 3,133 Times in 1,439 Posts	Tool has the Mauser shape and I can see the lip peeping out. You need to get a clear photo of the grind marks on the screwdriver tip. __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

01-09-2013, 02:29 PM	#6
kpf User Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Finnøy, Norway Posts: 75 Thanks: 78 Thanked 36 Times in 10 Posts	More Regards Kai

01-09-2013, 11:50 AM	#3
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,917 Times in 1,193 Posts	More photos of the tool would help. I don't see the oblong cut, which allows purchase on the magazine button. Search the site here por threads, which will give you clues for distinguishing an authentic tool.

01-09-2013, 12:57 PM	#5
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,990 Times in 1,205 Posts	Magazine body: Swiss, made by Paillard in St. Croix. Loading tool: Postwar Mauser Parabellum (most likely).

01-10-2013, 02:18 AM	#7
klaus 3338 User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Germany Posts: 519 Thanks: 0 Thanked 416 Times in 162 Posts	Hi Kai, your tool is a Mauser tool made until 1945 without the acceptance mark. Tools like this were issued to the Potuguese Luger 943. I got hundreds of tools in Norway 25 years ago and a few were like your tool. Best regards to the nicest country in Europa.

01-10-2013, 08:29 AM	#8
Vlim Moderator Lifetime LugerForum Patron Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Europe Posts: 5,053 Thanks: 1,036 Thanked 3,990 Times in 1,205 Posts	Hi Klaus, Did you compare these late 1942 production Mauser tools with the post war Mauser Parabellum tools? I find it interesting to see that they share a common 'look and feel'. This can be explained by the fact that Mauser produced both tools and had the drawings available, of course. But it is interesting also to see that the rather dull blueing of these tools appears to match.

01-10-2013, 10:57 AM	#9
klaus 3338 User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Germany Posts: 519 Thanks: 0 Thanked 416 Times in 162 Posts	Vlim, die Schlüssel vor 45 sind in der Farbe matter als die der Nachkriegszeit (sprich 70ér und 80ér Jahre. Die Klinge ist bei den Nachkriegsschlüsseln länger als die der frühen, die frühen sind abgestuft, die späten nicht. Das Material der frühen Schlüssel wirkt zudem homogener als das der späten. Es gibt im umgebogenen Teil der Nachkriegsschlüssel eine Druckstelle, die es bei Mauser bis 45 nicht gibt. Das alles mag dem, der Schlüssel nicht so intensiv gesammelt hat, wie Böhmische Dörfer vorkommen. Ich habe immerhin rund 11000 Schlüssel gehabt, da sieht man dann schnell, worauf es ankommt. Im Moment haben wir schlechtes Licht; wenn es besser ist, mach ich mal ein Foto, das die Unterschiede dann zumindest teilweise zeigt. Gruß Klaus Im Englischen hätte ich mir wieder mal einen abgebrochen, deshalb die "einfache Version".