dkk 44 P.38 holster. Reproduction

wayne8661 · 10-07-2012, 10:43 AM

Gents I know this isnt a luger holster, But I have to ask,

Was at a local gathering this morning and picked this holster up. Price was good even for a repop.

The construction of this holster is dead on and I think it stands a chance. But the damn thing just looks to new to be original.

What do you think,

Wayne

alanint · 10-07-2012, 12:03 PM

The poor stiching which joins the securing tongue to the holster flap would indicate a fake to me. The stitching in general is not up to parr.

rhuff · 10-07-2012, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by alanint

The poor stiching which joins the securing tongue to the holster flap would indicate a fake to me. The stitching in general is not up to parr.

The poor stitching was the first thing that I noticed also.....it is not a quality job.

wayne8661 · 10-10-2012, 08:16 AM

Any other thoughts?

lugerholsterrepair · 10-10-2012, 01:11 PM

These are one of the more difficult holsters to detect fakes. Photo's make it doubly difficult compared to having it in hand. There are several things that bother me about it. I don't like the WaA under the P-38. Why wouldn't it be between the belt loops under the maker code? I also don't like the black paint on the underside of the closure stud or the rivet. The stitching isn't too out of normal for a late 1944 holster but I would want to closely inspect it and put a blacklight on it to see it it is really linen.
The one factor I would want to closely inspect is the profile of the closure stud. Wartime studs were machined with spiral lines around it..post war studs are cast. Look closely at the stud and see if it has casting lines down both sides.

wayne8661 · 10-10-2012, 07:42 PM

Jerry, I looked at this post under magnification and there are clear signs of the spirals like it was turned on a michine.

Also I do not have a black light at this time but I did take a sample of the thread and do a burn test it left nothing but an ash behind.

For what its worth all of the other Dkk examples I have seen have the Waffen ampt in the same location under the P.38

Like I said i think it has a shot but would love to know your thoughts.

wayne8661 · 10-10-2012, 07:48 PM

I apologize about the pics my camera has limitations on macro shots. I was trying to get the spiraling to show clearly.

lugerholsterrepair · 10-10-2012, 07:50 PM

Wayne..It's looking better. The stitching looks good under the closure strap. If you have burned a piece and it turns to ash that's a positive sign. I am no expert on the markings..have you taken this to the P-38 site? There are a couple of guys over there that ARE experts on this. You might try that. They know a lot more about them than I do. I see a ton of them but mostly for repairs of some sort.

http://www.p38forum.com/

wayne8661 · 10-10-2012, 07:52 PM

Jerry I tried to load it on the p.38 forum but I am having a hard time getting the sizing right to post pics. Like I said I picked it up for super cheap I thought it might be good but wouldnt be upset if it wasnt.

lugerholsterrepair · 10-10-2012, 08:00 PM

Well..It looks OK to me but I don't know much about them. I would keep trying or just make a post and direct link on your post to here where they can see photo's! Like this..

http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthre...118#post221118

wayne8661 · 10-10-2012, 08:18 PM

Thanks a million Jerry

CJS57 · 10-11-2012, 05:03 AM

It is likely a correct Nazi hoster that came in from Russia 15 years ago. They painted the studs black. They were sold for about $100 each when they came in. All of this was discussed here or on the other forum some time ago. They are so minty it is scary, but they are real. Several hundred came in.

wayne8661 · 10-19-2012, 09:28 PM

CJ,

Your determination was also the same that i got on the P.38 forum thanks for your and Jerrys help. I knew i was taking a gamble but the gut feeling paid off for me, I have $30 invested n this.

tsmgguy · 02-12-2013, 01:29 PM

I'll go right out on a limb here: This is an original holster in nice shape. No doubt in my mind.

Stitching was often less than perfect toward the end of the war.

10-07-2012, 10:43 AM	#1
wayne8661 User Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Kennett Square Pennsylvania Posts: 591 Thanks: 15 Thanked 334 Times in 104 Posts	dkk 44 P.38 holster. Reproduction Gents I know this isnt a luger holster, But I have to ask, Was at a local gathering this morning and picked this holster up. Price was good even for a repop. The construction of this holster is dead on and I think it stands a chance. But the damn thing just looks to new to be original. What do you think, Wayne Attached Thumbnails

10-10-2012, 01:11 PM	#5
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,761 Thanks: 4,863 Thanked 3,101 Times in 1,427 Posts	These are one of the more difficult holsters to detect fakes. Photo's make it doubly difficult compared to having it in hand. There are several things that bother me about it. I don't like the WaA under the P-38. Why wouldn't it be between the belt loops under the maker code? I also don't like the black paint on the underside of the closure stud or the rivet. The stitching isn't too out of normal for a late 1944 holster but I would want to closely inspect it and put a blacklight on it to see it it is really linen. The one factor I would want to closely inspect is the profile of the closure stud. Wartime studs were machined with spiral lines around it..post war studs are cast. Look closely at the stud and see if it has casting lines down both sides. __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

10-10-2012, 07:42 PM	#6
wayne8661 User Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Kennett Square Pennsylvania Posts: 591 Thanks: 15 Thanked 334 Times in 104 Posts	Jerry, I looked at this post under magnification and there are clear signs of the spirals like it was turned on a michine. Also I do not have a black light at this time but I did take a sample of the thread and do a burn test it left nothing but an ash behind. For what its worth all of the other Dkk examples I have seen have the Waffen ampt in the same location under the P.38 Like I said i think it has a shot but would love to know your thoughts. Attached Thumbnails

10-10-2012, 07:50 PM	#8
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,761 Thanks: 4,863 Thanked 3,101 Times in 1,427 Posts	Wayne..It's looking better. The stitching looks good under the closure strap. If you have burned a piece and it turns to ash that's a positive sign. I am no expert on the markings..have you taken this to the P-38 site? There are a couple of guys over there that ARE experts on this. You might try that. They know a lot more about them than I do. I see a ton of them but mostly for repairs of some sort. http://www.p38forum.com/ __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

10-10-2012, 08:00 PM	#10
lugerholsterrepair Moderator Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Arizona/Colorado Posts: 7,761 Thanks: 4,863 Thanked 3,101 Times in 1,427 Posts	Well..It looks OK to me but I don't know much about them. I would keep trying or just make a post and direct link on your post to here where they can see photo's! Like this.. http://forum.lugerforum.com/showthre...118#post221118 __________________ Jerry Burney 11491 S. Guadalupe Drive Yuma AZ 85367-6182 lugerholsterrepair@earthlink.net 928 342-7583 (CO & AZ) Year Round 719 207-3331 (cell) "For those who Fight For It, Life has a flavor the protected will never know."

10-07-2012, 12:03 PM	#2
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,916 Times in 1,192 Posts	The poor stiching which joins the securing tongue to the holster flap would indicate a fake to me. The stitching in general is not up to parr.

10-10-2012, 08:16 AM	#4
wayne8661 User Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Kennett Square Pennsylvania Posts: 591 Thanks: 15 Thanked 334 Times in 104 Posts	Any other thoughts?

10-10-2012, 07:48 PM	#7
wayne8661 User Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Kennett Square Pennsylvania Posts: 591 Thanks: 15 Thanked 334 Times in 104 Posts	I apologize about the pics my camera has limitations on macro shots. I was trying to get the spiraling to show clearly.

10-10-2012, 07:52 PM	#9
wayne8661 User Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Kennett Square Pennsylvania Posts: 591 Thanks: 15 Thanked 334 Times in 104 Posts	Jerry I tried to load it on the p.38 forum but I am having a hard time getting the sizing right to post pics. Like I said I picked it up for super cheap I thought it might be good but wouldnt be upset if it wasnt.

10-10-2012, 08:18 PM	#11
wayne8661 User Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Kennett Square Pennsylvania Posts: 591 Thanks: 15 Thanked 334 Times in 104 Posts	Thanks a million Jerry

10-11-2012, 05:03 AM	#12
CJS57 User Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 224 Thanks: 0 Thanked 81 Times in 41 Posts	It is likely a correct Nazi hoster that came in from Russia 15 years ago. They painted the studs black. They were sold for about $100 each when they came in. All of this was discussed here or on the other forum some time ago. They are so minty it is scary, but they are real. Several hundred came in.

10-19-2012, 09:28 PM	#13
wayne8661 User Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Kennett Square Pennsylvania Posts: 591 Thanks: 15 Thanked 334 Times in 104 Posts	CJ, Your determination was also the same that i got on the P.38 forum thanks for your and Jerrys help. I knew i was taking a gamble but the gut feeling paid off for me, I have $30 invested n this.

02-12-2013, 01:29 PM	#14
tsmgguy User Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 9 Thanks: 2 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I'll go right out on a limb here: This is an original holster in nice shape. No doubt in my mind. Stitching was often less than perfect toward the end of the war. __________________ Avatar is the butt stock WaA stemple on a new condition Mauser Oberndorf Portuguese contract M1937A rifle.