Can you guys please tell me what I have?

BuddyWicker · 09-18-2012, 01:28 PM

I recently acquired this, and Im getting mixed reviews of what exactly it is and approximate value. The magazine does match the pistol as well. If you guys can help me with this It would be extremely appreciated. Thanks

Edward Tinker · 09-18-2012, 01:35 PM

It is a 1910 army luger, made by DWM, at some point it went into police service (see the sear safety on the left)

There is a good chance it has been reblued at some point, as the acceptance and final proof on the right are 'faded'

The holster is a WW2 army holster that someone has added a swastika to it.

Ed

BuddyWicker · 09-18-2012, 01:48 PM

I guess I didnt see the other marks on the right just thought they were scratches. My camera and flash brought that out. So value? should I even oil this? This is the first time Ive ever had a "collectible" firearm. Should I even fathom shooting it. Is the swastika emblem legit and from where? It looks to be real silver severely tarnished. Thanks for the info so far Ed.

Edward Tinker · 09-18-2012, 02:09 PM

you oil it just like any other gun, rub down, don't use anything harsh on it

does the magazine bottom have a 1 or 2 besides the serial number? if yes, then it went into police service

Shooting is up to you, personally, I would buy a 'shooter' one mismatched. If this one is all matching, you can break a numbered part (all small parts should have last two of the sn), and the value would be cut in half.

A guess so far, is that it is worth $1000-$1300, depending on if reblued, all matching, etc / police conversions are worth less than an original imperial

The swastika is probably real, but during WW1 and WWII items were NEVER allowed or put onto holsters, this was added by a US GI or the like later

BuddyWicker · 09-18-2012, 03:17 PM

yes there are other numbers on the original magazine, on the top there is 422, then the sn 4921, then below is a 1, with the d or a 2 stamp like on the barrel. The 1 toward the bottom and the other stacked vertically above it.

Edward Tinker · 09-18-2012, 04:47 PM

it appears to me that your suffix (every 10k they made they started the numbers over), and yours is a 'd' suffix

the 422 might be a unit or rack number, and the 2 a police meaning its the second number

i would need pictures to confirm

SteveM · 09-18-2012, 05:41 PM

Are there any letters, numbers on the front gripstrap?

wlyon · 09-18-2012, 06:40 PM

Just looking at the pictures I would say it has been reblued. If that is the case then about half the value Ed stated. His estimate was for original finish. The holster is worth $175-$200. The emblem needs to come off it. It may have value but I do not collect them so have zero knowledge. Some better and more clear pictures would help us . Welcome to the Forum. Bill

alanint · 09-18-2012, 07:47 PM

Most definitely a reblued gun. The eagle and swastika is an early SS or party cap badge that a GI who came into posession of the rig most likely added to the holster. The cap badge, if original, which I believe it is, is worth $200, give or take.

mrerick · 09-18-2012, 08:51 PM

It's likely that the entire pistol wasn't refinished. You can still see the toggle axle retaining pin is in the white.

It is very clear that the imperial proofs have been removed and that area reblued. Other areas also may have been redone, but with this lighting (probably flash?) it's hard to judge.

Defacing the proofs does unfortunately remove it from what is considered collectable.

If it's all matching, including the magazine, it is probably in the high end of the shooter category. $900-$1000. Please post pictures of the magazine base.

If removing the pin doesn't damage or deface it, the holster is worth $200, and looks correct to me.

Marc

09-18-2012, 01:28 PM	#1
BuddyWicker New User Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Can you guys please tell me what I have? I recently acquired this, and Im getting mixed reviews of what exactly it is and approximate value. The magazine does match the pistol as well. If you guys can help me with this It would be extremely appreciated. Thanks Attached Thumbnails

09-18-2012, 01:35 PM	#2
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,960 Thanks: 2,062 Thanked 4,592 Times in 2,114 Posts	It is a 1910 army luger, made by DWM, at some point it went into police service (see the sear safety on the left) There is a good chance it has been reblued at some point, as the acceptance and final proof on the right are 'faded' The holster is a WW2 army holster that someone has added a swastika to it. Ed __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

09-18-2012, 02:09 PM	#4
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,960 Thanks: 2,062 Thanked 4,592 Times in 2,114 Posts	you oil it just like any other gun, rub down, don't use anything harsh on it does the magazine bottom have a 1 or 2 besides the serial number? if yes, then it went into police service Shooting is up to you, personally, I would buy a 'shooter' one mismatched. If this one is all matching, you can break a numbered part (all small parts should have last two of the sn), and the value would be cut in half. A guess so far, is that it is worth $1000-$1300, depending on if reblued, all matching, etc / police conversions are worth less than an original imperial The swastika is probably real, but during WW1 and WWII items were NEVER allowed or put onto holsters, this was added by a US GI or the like later __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

09-18-2012, 04:47 PM	#6
Edward Tinker Super Moderator Eternal Lifer LugerForum Patron Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North of Spokane, WA Posts: 15,960 Thanks: 2,062 Thanked 4,592 Times in 2,114 Posts	it appears to me that your suffix (every 10k they made they started the numbers over), and yours is a 'd' suffix the 422 might be a unit or rack number, and the 2 a police meaning its the second number i would need pictures to confirm __________________ Edward Tinker ************ Co-Author of Police Lugers - Co-Author of Simson Lugers Author of Veteran Bring Backs Vol I, Vol II, Vol III and Vol IV

09-18-2012, 06:40 PM	#8
wlyon Lifer 2X Lifetime Forum Patron Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewhere in Montana Posts: 2,652 Thanks: 3,210 Thanked 2,613 Times in 969 Posts	Just looking at the pictures I would say it has been reblued. If that is the case then about half the value Ed stated. His estimate was for original finish. The holster is worth $175-$200. The emblem needs to come off it. It may have value but I do not collect them so have zero knowledge. Some better and more clear pictures would help us . Welcome to the Forum. Bill __________________ Bill Lyon

09-18-2012, 01:48 PM	#3
BuddyWicker New User Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I guess I didnt see the other marks on the right just thought they were scratches. My camera and flash brought that out. So value? should I even oil this? This is the first time Ive ever had a "collectible" firearm. Should I even fathom shooting it. Is the swastika emblem legit and from where? It looks to be real silver severely tarnished. Thanks for the info so far Ed.

09-18-2012, 03:17 PM	#5
BuddyWicker New User Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 3 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	yes there are other numbers on the original magazine, on the top there is 422, then the sn 4921, then below is a 1, with the d or a 2 stamp like on the barrel. The 1 toward the bottom and the other stacked vertically above it.

09-18-2012, 05:41 PM	#7
SteveM User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 1,016 Thanks: 94 Thanked 275 Times in 137 Posts	Are there any letters, numbers on the front gripstrap?

09-18-2012, 07:47 PM	#9
alanint User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Marco Island, Florida Posts: 4,867 Thanks: 1,685 Thanked 1,917 Times in 1,193 Posts	Most definitely a reblued gun. The eagle and swastika is an early SS or party cap badge that a GI who came into posession of the rig most likely added to the holster. The cap badge, if original, which I believe it is, is worth $200, give or take.

09-18-2012, 08:51 PM	#10
mrerick Super Moderator - Patron LugerForum Life Patron Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Eastern North Carolina, USA Posts: 3,919 Thanks: 1,377 Thanked 3,135 Times in 1,518 Posts	It's likely that the entire pistol wasn't refinished. You can still see the toggle axle retaining pin is in the white. It is very clear that the imperial proofs have been removed and that area reblued. Other areas also may have been redone, but with this lighting (probably flash?) it's hard to judge. Defacing the proofs does unfortunately remove it from what is considered collectable. If it's all matching, including the magazine, it is probably in the high end of the shooter category. $900-$1000. Please post pictures of the magazine base. If removing the pin doesn't damage or deface it, the holster is worth $200, and looks correct to me. Marc __________________ Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum - - Therefore if you want peace, prepare for war.